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‘What Are You Talking About?? The Doctor Is Fine!!’ The First New LOST Since March 20!! SWEEPS DAY ONE!!

Cant Wait!!! by ChrisVenom	Apr 24th, 2008 02:13:38 AM
30 Rock, the Office and then Lost! Its the weekend for me already!
YESS! by thedottedlion	Apr 24th, 2008 02:17:01 AM
New Lost. Must call 2 remaining friends.
Good. Someone else posted first this time by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 02:18:19 AM
Man, I was sick of seeing my stupid post for weeks. Have fun, ChrisVenom!(of course your torture will last only a week)
mild spoiler source by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 02:21:34 AM
http://www.meevee.com/myguide. aspx MeeVee guide listings (my favorite, they seem to load faster than TV Guide, though they probably have the same source of information) Has a short preview clip showing one of the events mentioned in the invisotext. Nice to see Bernard get to do something kinda cool for a change. No, I'm not telling you what it is, but go log in to MeeVee and click on the lost listing to see the clip.
AHH! Invisotext!!! by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 02:22:34 AM
New lesson for today. No matter how tempting, invisotext is invisotext for a very good reason. Just DO NOT read it. Do not read the shiny, candy-like invisotext.
Hey casual Lost fans by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 02:35:14 AM
The real fanatics that kept the "I thought we were going on a Rescue Mission" talkback alive since the last "Lost" episode over a month ago http://www.aintitcool.co m/node/36074 got so heavily into it that one of their number, a much cool fella by the name of 4we8have15to16go23back42, (and several other talkbackers helping out) actually went ahead and started a Lost fan blog. And not just to see his name on screen either, the point was to have a place to post invisotexted spoilers and keep the Lost talk backs here at AICN relatively spoiler free. It's a good read, there's some interesting, and some funny, stuff over there if you're interested in checking it out. It's called "Room 23". Here. http://lostroom23.blog spot.com/
Invisotext? REALLY? by PirateEmery	Apr 24th, 2008 02:38:20 AM
I've already watched three sneak peek scenes that reveal the information that you "revealed." Nice scoop...
Woooooooooo by Kragmose	Apr 24th, 2008 02:43:36 AM

CUNTHAM KNIGHT STARTS BEING A CUNT EARLY by suit and tie	Apr 24th, 2008 02:44:23 AM
WHAT'S UP JOBLESS FUCKER, MISS ME? HOW'S MY COCK SLATHERED IN GOVERMENT CHEESE TASTE? YOU NUTTY MOTHERFUCKER.
Where that title's from. by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 02:45:58 AM
"Shape Of Things To Come" written by Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil. From the movie "Wild In The Streets". Recorded by Dave Allen and the Arrows with actor Christopher Jones on lead vocals, released under the name of the films fictional band "Max Frost and the Troopers" (later covered by The Ramones on their album "Acid Eaters" There's a new sun - Risin' up angry in the sky - And there's a new voice - Sayin' "we're not afraid to die" - Let the old world make believe - It's blind and deaf and dumb - But nothing can change the shape of things to come There are changes - Lyin' ahead in every road - And there are new thoughts - Ready and waiting to explode - When tomorrow is today - The bells may toll for some - But nothing can change the shape of things to come The future's comin' in, now - Sweet and strong - Ain't no-one gonna hold it back for long There are new dreams - Crowdin' out old realities - There's revolution - Sweepin' in like a fresh new breeze - Let the old world make believe - It's blind and deaf and dumb - (But) nothing can change the shape of things - nothing can change the shape of things - nothing can change the shape of things - nothing can change the shape of things - To come
New LOST thread = the return of suit and tie! by Kragmose	Apr 24th, 2008 02:47:10 AM
Welcome home, good sir.
Los Endos - regarding non-centric eps by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 03:24:39 AM
I wasn't sure what you meant by non-centric until I reread the article. The final three episodes of the season will be a one hour followed after a one week hiatus with a two hour, which cumulatively will be considered the three-hour season finale episode. there won;t be any major flashes, fore or back, focused on any one specific character because these will be major "game changer" episodes dealing with ALL of the characters - the Oceanic Six characters who get off the island and possibly the fate of, well, pretty much everybody else. Whether they remain on the island or... not. That's not too spoilery, is it? Everyone who watched the show already knows the Oceanic Six gets off and, well, every day you wake up you either live or die, right? What else is there? To predict that certain characters "will either live or die," well, that's about as vague as it gets, right? But that's what the non-centric episodes are all about - they deal with everyone, not just one specific character.
SPOILER reply to invisotext superspoiler. by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 03:37:14 AM
SPOILER this is a reply to the part of the Invisotexted [tm] article labeler SUPERSPOILER, that asked one specific question which included a key Lost character's year of birth as part of the question. If you didn't read the question, this answer won't mean anything to you so you may as well skip over it. I would think "Holy crap, that crazy old coot is less than a year older than me? Dang, I am getting so flipping old..."
Well by Mortegro	Apr 24th, 2008 03:39:10 AM
This is the first Ben-centric episode in a good while. I have some high hopes. I hope Ben deals out my judgment and justice!
nothing can change the shape of things to come by bacci40	Apr 24th, 2008 03:48:47 AM
in other words...season 4 sux huge, fat balls
just a couple of hours..... by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 05:06:22 AM
see you folks on the other side.
14 more hours! by theBigE	Apr 24th, 2008 05:15:42 AM
I could keep this up all day!
LOSTgasam. And Herc? by Yeti	Apr 24th, 2008 05:57:30 AM
I'd say my theory about how the others exist in a different reality where time clearly moves much much slower and only come into ours on occassion is a good one.
EEKS by Nabster	Apr 24th, 2008 06:29:07 AM
The ending to this season is going to be extraordinary, I simply can't wait. I just hope I can wait for all of the to come out so I can watch them all at once, the long gaps inbetween allows me to think too much about what may or may not happen. Anyway, how many more episodes are we getting?
spoiler free baby! by turketron	Apr 24th, 2008 07:06:40 AM
I haven't seen any previews for the new episode tonight, and I haven't read anything above or in the talkback. I'm goin into this episode with a blank, and I know it's going to be great! 10pm still sucks though, but I'll make due even if I have to fire up bit torrent!
YESSSSS!!!! by Youguysgotanymilk	Apr 24th, 2008 07:07:13 AM
It's finally here! It's like Christmas morning for me again. Today is going to be the longest day of work. Tonight's episode is going to rock in so many ways. I'm staying away from the invisotext, even though I've probably already read the spoilers for this ep. Actually, I don't think I've really been spoiled yet, just teased. I know bits and pieces about what will happen, but have no clue to the meanings behind these events or how they fit together. CANT F***ING WAIT!
I wouldn't be surprised. at all. about batmanuel and howard hugh by ironic_name	Apr 24th, 2008 08:11:13 AM
this show is like fanfiction. BAD fanfiction. 1st season: amazing. second season: oh, ok.. I get it. time and space, utopia, nazis, genetics, quantum singularity. 3rd season: zzzzzzzzzz fourth season: hey look! the wire is on! [click]
Oh my, oh my, oh my by godzillasushi	Apr 24th, 2008 08:21:41 AM
Not only is it finally back (YES!) but just as Lost has always been, it sounds like the final episodes will be an amazing experience. None of them being 'centric' means that something will actually take three episodes to explain, which is awesome. As for the spoiler above - If he was around in 1952, we could have guessed that pretty easily. They were all sold on Locke. Ben was the only one that was kind of like "Why are we giving this guy a chance again?"
Finally by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 24th, 2008 08:28:48 AM
This hiatus has been killing me. I kind of wish I'd been hanging around in the talkback since the last episode, but when I consider who much time I spend here on the day of a new episode, doing that every day might not have been helpful to my continued employment.
I had a dream again... by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 08:35:28 AM
and I was on the island. I went into this big, round room with a bunch of donkeys on a wheel. They were alive, but frozen, still. Each donkey had a year on it and I grabbed the one that said 1976. I got on, and it came to life, leading me out of the room and through a door to a specific path. When I was at the end of the path, I was in Oregon, at the train station, and the "freedom train" was there. It was obviously 1976, due to the hairstyles. I got on the freedom train and the conveyor belt that carried people through the thing had broken down and everyone was just walking through the exhibit. I woke up before I got to sign the duplicate of the Declaration of Independence. So there's your frozen donkey wheel. I doubt that spoils anything. If their frozen donkey wheel is anything like mine, a lot of people are in big, big trouble.
Bumpy ride. by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 08:42:48 AM
Riding that frozen donkey. Bumpy. Bump.
You can usually get the episode pretty by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 08:43:59 AM
early, if you have access to the right places at the right time. cough a.b.tv cough
You can usually get the episode pretty by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 08:46:16 AM
if it's attractive. We’re Tiegra and Bunny and we like the BUMP!
This thing loads so fast right now. by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 08:48:20 AM
Not for long.
This thing loads so fast right now. by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 08:49:59 AM
No punchline.
Good morning. by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 08:50:38 AM
Just a few more hours.
Off to bed. by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 08:51:45 AM
When I wake up, there will be new Lost in just a few hours. Nice.
Cabin Fever..sounds VERY interesting by couP	Apr 24th, 2008 09:10:11 AM

just a little something by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 09:14:03 AM
to help the day pass faster... http://tinyurl.com/js7tg
and another... by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 09:19:28 AM
http://tinyurl.com/3duql9 oh, lordy, this day is going to be soooooooooooo long. and gotilk, buddy, you must lay off the LSD. ;-)
we're baaaack! by theredtoad	Apr 24th, 2008 09:38:00 AM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! This is the shit. I can't fucking wait til tonnight. I might have to give my best Superman impression and run around the world real fast and warp time ahead some, not back.
I wish my life were that interesting.. by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 09:38:32 AM
.. I miss LSD.
And by the way... by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 09:39:29 AM
.. aww baby, that's just cause you know my lovin's a TRIP, baby.. it's just another way for you to let me know it's BUSINESS TIME.
(spoiler) I think I accidentally found out what is going on in L by smackfu	Apr 24th, 2008 09:50:02 AM
I found a very concise explaination of exactly what was going on in Lost that logically explained almost every single weird thing that's happened on the show, and the news that Richard Alpert was at the site of Locke's birth fits completely in to it and is not surprising at all.
An interesting consquence of this mystery theory by smackfu	Apr 24th, 2008 09:55:15 AM
Is that the reason why Ben Linus is so fearless among the Losties is that he cannot be killed. Yet. Just as the island won't let anyone kill themselves before their time, it also won't let people die before they're supposed to.
I'm so not reading that until the show airs by CherryValance	Apr 24th, 2008 10:02:10 AM
but I had to tell you guys that Darlton totally made fun of my LOST theory in USA today. I got two Ds. WOOT. Can't wait until the show tonight. :D
It is time! To care about TV again...... Lost and BSG...and Vent by Stormwatcher	Apr 24th, 2008 10:22:01 AM
Finally stuff worth watching. Locke is Jacob. It is so obvious. He gets slammed back in time. The SMokey takes him there. Like Christmas Carol. John lOKe
Locke Is Jacob? by Frodo T. Baggins	Apr 24th, 2008 10:42:21 AM
I thought JJ and Comp. made it very clear the show doesnt have to do with time travel or purgatory. The show doesnt seem to be making this very clear however. & JJ did make an alien with tentacles like Del Toro cant stop doing. I want to tie Del Toro to a chair and spray him with a squirt bottle saying "No more tentacle monsters Toro! No More!" He replies, "I cannot! I cannot stop! Mi Encanta Tentacalies!!!" "Bad Del Toro! No! No! Stop! Draw something new! Why do you make me spray you!?!?"
no Sawyer-centric?? by zooch	Apr 24th, 2008 10:45:59 AM
:(
A triple-ep season ender??? by SlickyVonBoner	Apr 24th, 2008 10:54:26 AM
Cool. Flasback/forwards for everyone? Or no flashes at all? I love this show more than my ex-wife..... obviously.
Too many question marks???? by SlickyVonBoner	Apr 24th, 2008 10:54:55 AM

I Love This Show More Than Your Ex-Wife by Frodo T. Baggins	Apr 24th, 2008 10:57:28 AM
Odviously ;)
T. Baggins by SlickyVonBoner	Apr 24th, 2008 11:08:11 AM
nice.
T.G.I.T. by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 24th, 2008 11:08:49 AM
Thank God It's THURSDAY!!! We get to watch THE OFFICE and LOST! These are two of the best shows on television! LOST has been great this season. It is such a refreshing change from the tired police, detective, hospital dramas. LOST has remained fresh and intelligent -- even when so many shows become shells of their former selves. Looking forward to tonight's exciting installment!
My theory on Jacob by siatrisx	Apr 24th, 2008 11:11:15 AM
Jacob is not one person. It is whoever's time travelling. We saw Christian Sheppard in the chair. Interviewed, Jorge Garcia said he filmed a scene where HE was in the chair instead. I think the eye we saw belongs to Desmond. All this to say, when someone's counsciouness is travelling in time/space, either they end up in the shack for a moment, or a part of them does. And, Ben Linux cannot SEE Jacob, therefore he doesn't know it's not always the same person/ghost. Ideas ?
Siatrisx by Frodo T. Baggins	Apr 24th, 2008 11:23:06 AM
I like that your thinking. I just dont think thats it. Not like anyone actually knows what "it" is. I think Jacob has always been 1 person. Maybe its older Locke. Maybe its older Walt. Or maybe fuck, its just Jacob. Im assuming the 4 people on the island that have some sort of powers are Locke, Walk, Jacob, and Ben. Maybe its a Lady In The Water deal where they all have their own ability and Bens is the shittiest thats why he envys Locke. And he does envy Locke. I would too. Hes handsome. If Jacob was just a chair with people traveling through time I dont see how Ben would fear that. That make any sense? However I do agree that it did kinda look like one of Desmonds squirley looking eye balls. And anytime Ben is pissing you off too much just watch the end of Saw 1. I swear that actor has faked more punches to the face than Chuck Norris. Because nobody hits Chuck Norris. Because nobody is that stupid. He lit a fart on fire once in the Sahara Forest.
Great Shout Out Nap by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 11:24:49 AM
Thanks for the plug for Room 23. 4We8 is indeed the genius behind a well put together site that privides Lost Fans with one - stop shopping for News and Spoilers (w/InvisoText). 4We8 = http://lostroom23.blogspot.com
Tonight's is Ben-centric... by Leopold Scotch	Apr 24th, 2008 11:25:08 AM
My guess about tonight is Ben gets a flashback in which he receives the "list" from Jacob after the plane crash, and prepares to set out towards the camp.
CherryValance by Fount of Useless Info	Apr 24th, 2008 11:27:34 AM
Do you mean it was a theory you like or that you sumbitted that theory? If it is the latter, you have given away your secret identity.
I may have to retreat into our former TB by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 11:37:31 AM
For a few minutes of peace.
Ah, Bacci doesn't like that the future is set in Lost. by Novaman5000	Apr 24th, 2008 12:12:49 PM
What a surprise. He'd much rather the Heroes version, im sure, where we see a future, have an episode or two devoted to it, and then have it completely be disregarded and changed so we've effectively wasted all of the time spent with this plotline. Lost has balls. It has the balls to kill of characters, to say, this future sucks, but there is no changing it. DEAL with it. Heroes on the other hand, says "whoops! Just kidding! none of that stuff really happens!!"
Novaman5000...heroes turned to teh suck too by bacci40	Apr 24th, 2008 01:10:20 PM
second season blew huge chunks...
Dharma wedding suits by Maximus Prime	Apr 24th, 2008 01:12:04 PM
and Jack playing the piano...but no Dharma cake, casue Hurley is about... THANK FUCK LOST IS BACK...I HAVE A REASON TO LIVE AGAIN...WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Node32774 is right by bacci40	Apr 24th, 2008 01:14:26 PM
i think the writers are alluding more to the hg wells book than the 60's film, which was extremely prescient in predicting ww2...the brit film based on the book can be found online...cool thing in the 60s film is watching shelly winters on an lsd trip, and also watching a young richard pryor...the movie sucked, but the music was great, especially the title song
:( by AngelCordy	Apr 24th, 2008 01:20:29 PM
Dear Lost STOP KILLING OFF ALL THE GIRLS. Sincerely, a female fan
Locke baby Rambo Jesus by picardsucks	Apr 24th, 2008 01:20:49 PM
God Damn I love Season 1 Locke, covered in blood and stalking wild boar like many of you fatsos stalking a double whopper. Can't wait to DVR this tonite and scrutinize!!!
Jacob by Sithdan	Apr 24th, 2008 01:36:43 PM
I think the Jacob character is someone lost in time, trapped in another plane of existence.
dharma beer and wine will be served. by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 01:42:15 PM
;-) and fishbiscuits for the guest gifts!
JJ is directing Dark Tower!!!!!! by richier123	Apr 24th, 2008 01:52:11 PM
Yes you heard me right. JJ is going to direct the DARK TOWER!! http://www.comingsoon.net/news /startreknews.php?id=42298
"ghosts" are actually people in another time by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 24th, 2008 02:01:50 PM
I recall once reading a paranormal theory about ghosts -- that they're not spirits of the dead who are trapped in a building... but that the building or area itself is situated in a spot where multiple timelines criss-cross. So if you are in a building that is "haunted", it's actually people in the past whose timeline is bleeding over into the present (their future). Anyway, I'm reminded of that theory when considering Jacob and The Cabin. It ties in with all the funky time issues with the island.
Finally...I Can Breathe Again... by Cheif Brody	Apr 24th, 2008 02:12:38 PM
LOST Thursday has restored my will to live. All is right in the world again. Namaste, motherfuckers! ps. I think that would look great on a T-Shirt.
The Ballad of LOST Island (everyone sing along) by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 02:18:59 PM
The Ballad of LOST Island Just settle right back in front of your televisions or set your VCR or TiVo and you'll behold the latest installment in a long and complicated epic saga, A tale of a fateful trans-oceanic airline flight That started from Sydney, Australia Aboard Oceanic Airlines Flight 815. * * * * * The Pilot Seth Norris was an inexperienced substitute, Cindy the stewardess dutiful and suspicious. 324 passengers set sail that day For a journey to Los Angeles, California, USA. * * * * * The weather was clear but because a button was not pushed a pent-up electro-magnetiic force of incalcuable magnitude was unleashed, The aircraft was torn into three main pieces, the cockpit, mid-section fuselage and the tail (and the wings were ripped off, never a good sign when you're flying), Due to a malfunction of the navigational system, Flight 815 was 1000 miles off course, and it was very... (poom) LOST... * * * * * The midsection and tail set ground on or near the shore of this uncharted but surprisingly not deserted isle With alcoholic surgeon Jack Shephard, angry cripple John Locke too, The multimillionaire lottery winner Hugo Reyes, vengeful con-man James Ford, drug addicted one-hit wonder rock star Charlie Pace, former Iraqi Republican Guard torturer Sayid Jarrah, pregnant goth chick Claire Littleton, The US Marshal and his patricidal prisoner, The son of a Korean fisherman and his unfaithful wife, a complete bitch and her incestuous step-brother, the estranged father seeking to reconnect with his son, the dentist and his dying of cancer wife, the bad cop and the stewardess, The television starlet and her jewel thief boyfriend, The high school science professor and Mr. Eko, Scott, Steve, Sullivan, Lance, Tracy, Libby, Neil, Joanna, Emma, Zach and several dozen more plus The Others, Adam & Eve, the crazy French woman and her kidnapped daughter, the Dharma Initiative, the pirates of the Black Rock, the Nigerian drug smugglers, the Scots boat-racer living under the Hatch, the Widmore science team and the Freighties, (and believe it or not dozens of other peripheral characters important to their stories both in their pasts and in the future,) Here on the Isle of the... (poom) LOST...
The Ballad of the LOST Talk-Back by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 02:19:19 PM
The Ballad of the Lost Talk-Back. . Just sit right back and you'll read some entertaining commentary, About a wonderful television program possibly the greatest show ever, but that's for history to decide. . It begins when an article is posted on the day of the new episode the talkback rages for a day or two and continues until the following episode (or until it hits 10000 posts, whichever comes first) . The discourse can start getting rough, foul languange may be tossed, and strongly worded opinions, about this show called LOST, about a show called LOST. . The talk-backs already underway, With founder Harry Knowles, and moderator Hercules The blogger and his helpers, there are avid fans, casual viewers, would be critics, humorists, pundits, wits and half-wits, spoilers, trolls, flamers, punks, some nice folks and some creeps, Here in the Ain't It Cool News Lost Talk-back
I forget how Paul put it by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 02:44:38 PM
Something about a period of adjustment to the new tone, the new character of the new TB. I am weak. and stubborn. I am having a hard time adjusting. Anyone else? Going next door then back to my Room at Room 23.
Hey Ender! Somwone thought he could hide in our other TB by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 02:51:51 PM
"ENDER SMITES EATS HIS OWN POO!" by gotham_night Apr 24th, 2008 02:31:39 PM
Lost fanvid by av123	Apr 24th, 2008 02:53:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =UQ8gYXdh8k0
When is the Node FIsh Wedding??? by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 02:55:25 PM
I say, Afternoon wedding, Reception with the Season 5 premiere set up to start right after the "official stuff" is completed. Then beer, Lost, and Much rejoicing. Then you two birds slip out for a honeymoon at Camp Otherton in Hawaii.
For those in need of LOST tonight by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 03:09:19 PM
for whatever reason - watch here for Edshrinker's post around 11:30-11:45 and I will have a link up to my torrent. I'm usually the first to have LOST and BSG up for whatever reason so it behooves you to grab an upload slot quickly. I may have Smallville's newest running as well - I'll throw the link here as well if I decide to do it. Posted here and at Room 23.
And for the newbies by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 03:10:37 PM
My torrents are solid - this TB can vouch for what they get when they d/l from edshrinker.
Napoleon...Thanks, dude. by Cheif Brody	Apr 24th, 2008 03:19:17 PM
Now I've got the fuckin Gilligan's Island theme playing over and over in my head! Well...I got one for YOU! Five.... Five dollar... Five Dollar Foot-Long.... Five... Five dollar... Five Dollar Foot-Long... Eat Fresh my ass!
Who is Shepard? by Mindtrip	Apr 24th, 2008 03:25:31 PM
Maybe I'm having a senior-moment, but is Sheppard in next week's ep refers to?
1-888-548-0034 by Cheif Brody	Apr 24th, 2008 03:25:34 PM
A blast from the past...but still gives me chills.
A Note of Caution - nothing personal by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 03:28:01 PM
According to the AOL Active Security Monitor "P2P programs allow users to share files over a file sharing network. Using P2P programs increases your risk to attacks from viruses, worms and other malicious programs. It may be perfectly safe to download a specific file that has been seeded by a reliable and trustworthy source. And it might be possible to acquire the P2P file sharing programs needed to do this without having it bundled with adware, spybots or other malicious coding. But be aware that downloading "free" entertainment this way can be addictive. You might think that as long as you have the resources and the opportunity you may as well just download one more show, comic or song... and another, and another. And if you're unlucky you just may acquire some nastiness that will slow down your computer's response time or freeze it up all together, require a complete system recovery or, worse, the purchasee of a replacement computer. Of course it won't happen to you. It's always "the other guy."
Shephard can also refer to... by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 03:33:19 PM
Surgeon Jack Shephard's father Dr. Christian Shephard, deceased by still haunting his son, occasionally in apparition form.
Don't be silly, Evie by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 03:43:24 PM
I'm sure Ed S. can speak for himself on this, but he's no pirate. Se legally acquires a single digital copy of a television episode for his own private personal use, and this use includes sharing with friends. Stretching the definition of "private use" and "friends" to include seeding to peer-to-peer file sharing torrents to provide free copies of copyrighted material to 100s of strangers may or may not be within the exact letter of the law - that's for the Federal Bureau of Investigation to decide, and frankly I'd hope they have better things to do. But there is no profit involved - P2P simply involves fans sharing material they enjoy with fellow fans or "peers" (and sometimes getting other things they enjoy, such as other programs - and things they may not enjoy, such as computer viruses, worms, spyware, adware and malware - in exchange). But generally these things have cash value only to the shows creators and copyright owners, so no money is exchanged or stolen, and therefore no crime is committed. The same way that murder or rape are legal unless you get paid to do it. Actually I'm not certain about that last point - I'm no lawyer, so don't take my word for it. I hope that clears that matter up so we can get back to discussing Lost.
Code 14-J...means... by Cheif Brody	Apr 24th, 2008 03:56:20 PM
The are obviously playing a heated game of "Jingo"!
no profit, no crime is how he explained it to me by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 03:59:26 PM
No profit = no crime is how he explained it to me. And he's an Ed-jumacator. He works for the public teaching impressionable children. He's not going to do crime stuff just to make the cool kids think he used to be one of them. If he thought there was anything legally or morally wrong with freely file sharing copyrighted material do you think he'd be discussing it in a public forum? That would be ka-razy. Speaking of crazy, what's that like, Eve?
Code 14-J spoiler warning by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 04:04:10 PM
Seriously, SPOILER - don't read this if you're remaining SPOILER free. I watched one of the online preview clips. Here it is, here's the >p>SPOILER A Code 14-J is a loaded sawed-off shotgun in the piano stool. This has been a code 14-J SPOILER.
Foux de fa-fa-fa-fa-fa by Leopold Scotch	Apr 24th, 2008 04:06:46 PM
Aiyaahh! Affirmative: I poked it; it was dead...
I heard a rumor by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 04:09:45 PM
...that in the year 2029 the last remaining living members of Driveshaft, Spinal Tap, Bad News and The Rutles will form a super-group called DEATHICIDE. Hot new breaking news, you heard it here first: There will be an umlaut over the second "i". and it will be a lower case "i" so the umlaut and the dot over the "i" will form an inverted satanic triangle. They are going to totally RAWK.
DEATHICiDE's debut album title (spoiler) by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 04:14:40 PM
"erosha hsaw seidob" And Brian Eno's gonna produce.
an ode to my honey about this tb by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 04:30:36 PM
edshrinker's quite awesome, nodey's my pick, ender's poo smells like flowers, and gotham's a dick.
i am so not a planner.... by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 04:39:44 PM
tie dyed t's for everyone! on the beach, bonfire, little huts for the inebriated to crash. lifeguards so we don't lose anyone...
AARRRGGG! by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 04:50:10 PM
less than 5 hours! will i make it? i'm all hyper now. need a distraction... ouch! that hurt! http://tinyurl.com/4s7hny
Bacci, I'd hate to break it to you, but Heroes Season 1 by Novaman5000	Apr 24th, 2008 04:51:59 PM
pretty much sucked, too.
namaste, motherfuckers! by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 04:58:39 PM
is second only to 'desmond is my constant' t-shirts.
Ordering a great big PIZZA tonight to go with my LOST by Pizza The Hut	Apr 24th, 2008 05:09:34 PM
Doesn't get much better... (well, really it does, but not this time)
Richard Alpert by godzthor1	Apr 24th, 2008 05:39:25 PM
Richard Alpert is actually a disguised Pierson's Puppeteer, influencing genetic lines to create new, profitable strains.
AngelCordy - regarding killing off the Lost women by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 05:57:53 PM
Angelcordy wrote: "Dear Lost STOP KILLING OFF ALL THE GIRLS. :(" Well, I had some concerns about that myself, but after mentioning them in a previous talkback it was pointed out to me that "Lost" kills off cast members of both genders at a relatively comparative rate. After giving it some thought I realized that while life on The Island may be brutal for people of both sexes, the writers of Lost at least are somewhat merciful when it comes to the distaff slayings. The male characters are blown up (Arzt. Mikhail, the Others attacking the beach tents), drowned (Charlie), ripped up (Scott), shredded and left hanging in a tree (Seth Norris the pilot), beaten against trees and the ground like a rag doll (Mr. Eko), skull-cracked on the rocks (Kelvin), killed during surgery following a small ironic plane crash (Boone), executed while captive (Ethan Rom, Tom Friendly), sucked into a freaking turbine engine (Gary Troup), run over by the Dharma van and so on. all pretty horrific, brutal ways to go. Now I'm not saying a gut-shot isn't painful, but with the women, well Sherrif Isabel of The Others was blown up (off camera) during the attack at the tents and Joanna and Regina drowned (both presumed suicides). Naomi was murdered with a knife, but pretty much all the other women (Shannon, Ana Lucia, Libby, Mrs. Klugh, Bonnie and Greta, Danielle and (possible spoiler - ***x) are all taken out quickly by gunshot. Bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang. I forgot to include paralyzed by spiders and then buried alive (Nikki and Paulo) but then that was pretty much evenly divided by gender too, wasn't it?
Trigger happy mods in lame forums by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 06:05:13 PM
don't allow DISCUSSION of file sharing. This isn't your world, buddy(pal, friend). We don't have power hungry USERS modding the talkback. Chaos? Sometimes. Banning people for DISCUSSING something? Rarely. So far. And try to remember this is TV, not movies or music. In this case, and most cases, we're talking still about free, over the air programming. Everyone else? We have cable or satellite. You wanna know why I'd rather download than watch live (which I do anyway with Lost)? Because in my market, it comes to my TV in FULL SCREEN. It looks cheap and crappy. Anyone that has some kind of "moral issue" with downloading a free TV show they most likely already pay for in some form already is a douche and has fully drank the kool-aid. Congratulations, you've got industry lawyers up your ass puppeteering you. Don't be a coward. Now, if this were a talkback about Iron Man, and someone was talking about how they have a perfect copy of the film up on TPB, I wouldn't be surprised (or shocked, or bothered)if someone deleted the messages and the user. Get just slightly sophisticated about this stuff. I'm not asking you to get sophisticated on some kind of "quit watching the factor" level, we're talking more along the lines of "hey, just leave that homosexual alone, ok? he wasn't bothering you" levels. Consider yourself schooled. Because you have been.
Fishies and Node-code by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 06:05:38 PM
congrats on the nups. I don't travel well but my thoughts are with you and "I just want you to know that we're all counting on you". Let me know the date and I'll be sure to put on one of my tie-dyed Tees in your honor. Let me know when the hunnymoon viddy-x goes up on RedTube.
Anyone that wants help setting up something by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 06:13:35 PM
torrent-related that's just for US that doesn't need another site or a public network to work, and avoids the scrutiny and twisted moralism of common douchenozzles, hit me up. I've been doing this sort of thing for a long time(with fully legal torrents). They don't like it, we'll go private and they can play or complain elsewhere.
Sorry if that was harsh. by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 06:26:13 PM
I couldn't hold it back this time.
gotilk - about discussions. by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 06:26:56 PM
Hey, nice rant gotilk. I realize you were talking to the troll who suggested that in some forums discussion of P2P file sharing is banned, and not me. But we have been discussing it here. I mentioned it in posts dated 3.28.01 and 3.43.24 and those haven't been deleted, so what's the problem-o? Someone says they acquired some copyrighted material they have no legal claim to and plan to give hundreds of copies away to strangers - fine, that's they're side of a discussion. Someone who doesn't think the practice is fair to the creators of the material and the people they sell the copyrights of the material to replies According to the AOL Active Security Monitor "P2P programs allow users to share files over a file sharing network. Using P2P programs increases your risk to attacks from viruses, worms and other malicious programs." and suggests that encouraging people to engage in P2P file sharing can cause them to take chances that can endanger the health of the computers, well, that's the other side of the discussion. Discussions sometimes have opposing viewpoints. On an unrelated topic, I know that "drink the kool-aid" is a popular slang expression meaning to blindly accept a corporate or political agenda, but it's unfortunate that it uses the trademarked brand name of the popular drink-mix Kool-Aid [tm] brand water-flavoring. Personally the Black Cherry is my favorite, but I'm acquiring a taste fore the Lime-Lemon. And a friend of mine who has two infants tells me that the "invisible" flavors aren't just a stupid gimmick, they help prevent furniture and carpet stains.
Stupid me by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 06:30:43 PM
It didn't make sense to me that the boat people would just happen to come across Alex/Danielle in the middle of the jungle, but I guess they did. It made too much sense that Ben would send them into a trap so he could get rid of Rousseau and Carl and have Alex safe with the rest of his people, but I guess he didn't. Shows what the fuck I know.
Kool-Aid by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 06:40:03 PM
I tried to find an image of the story online, but I couldn't. This is a headline from "Our Dumb Century" by The Onion: "Anthropomorphic Juice Pitcher Among Dead in Jonestown Cult Suicide"
We're Number Three by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 06:41:22 PM
For folks who like to bump up the number of posts just to see if they can change the position of a talkback on the top ten most frequently used sidebar chart (I did that one weekend with the X-Files II title spam thread - it's fun. Try it some time) this discussion just rose to position #3. Just 29 posts to go to overtake that new Yancy Butler movie and then only Superman can keep us out of the #1 spot. We're coming for you, Kryptonian.
Super Nintendo - regarding Kool-Aid by Napoleon Park	Apr 24th, 2008 06:46:12 PM
"Oh Yeaahhh!!" I'm not a Family Guy fan but I liked the running gag they did with Kool-aid Man. A couple times they had courtroom scenes where a verdict would be read, everyone would say "Oh No!" and then Kool-Aid Man would crash through the wall shouting "Oh yeah!" Then once it happen and the judge ordered everyone to stop saying "Oh no!" Later a runaway car crashed through the wall of Kool-Aid Man's living room while he was reading the paper and he remarked "You know, it's not so funny when you're on the other side."
No, not you NP... by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 07:08:39 PM
NO!! There's no issues with you at all. Everyone has an opinion on this stuff. But on Yahoo and security, they have "some learnin'" to do. There's nothing inherently more dangerous about a p2p network than any other network. As long as a user knows what full filenames are, and what a media file is and is not, they're as safe or UNsafe as anywhere else on this series of tubes we all love so much. There's nothing magically dangerous about a particular method of getting and giving files. That's FUD and should be easily spotted a mile away.(as well as debunked at every opportunity) But on copyrighted material, I'm personally worried about all those copyrighted songs people have in their heads. The other day, someone hummed a song in an elevator and I was thinking "did he PAY for that song? Now it's in my head and I haven't paid for it!!!".. so I quickly went to itunes and found out "I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts" isn't on itunes. BUT.. BUT... All kidding aside, it IS still copyrighted (TV shows) material. You got that right. But so is the radio, and taping off the radio, and the VCR. DVR is only different in that they've sanctioned it. That doesn't automagically make the VCR an illegal piece of hardware. It just makes it obsolete. Remember, they wanted VCRs to go away until they found a way to make money off them. After they started making big bucks off them, home taping didn't stop. They just stopped caring. They focused (rightly) on video pirates SELLING tapes. But with many people's line of thinking, Joe Average at home taping a show to watch it later, or asking someone to tape it for him is the same as stealing a tape from a Blockbuster, or pirating a show to sell at a swap meet. It's not. It's just not the same and no amount of arguing and discussing is going to make it the same. It's the same difference between downloading Lost and downloading some movie before it comes out. Two very different animals. But to each his own. If someone wants to watch it live, in full screen, more power to them. If someone wants to timeshift, they should be able to as well, in any way they choose. But as moral issues go, it's pretty far down on my list. I want musicians to get paid for their work, I want filmmakers to get paid. I want writers to get paid. But when I download a TV show, they still get paid and the Nielson system doesn't even count me. Why waste time worrying about something that has no effect whatsoever on the survival or success of something I watch? No effect on anything. I have the DVDs, too. I could have downloaded them. I want them because I LOVE this show. But I don't love it so much that I pretend that downloading it hurts the show somehow. Like I'm taking a nickel out of Darlton's pocket every time I have my VCR tape it and I skip over the commercials manually. Do you feel guilty for leaving the room during commercials to grab a beer? I know YOU are just teasing, but some of these people actually buy into this stuff in a big way. To them I might as well be kicking puppies and tripping old ladies. It's selective moral outrage, and in the end, just kind of goofy.
Kool-Aid by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 07:09:36 PM
I like to make it with sparkling water. It's like soda.
Oh Yeaaaah!!! by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 07:12:47 PM
http://tinyurl.com/5chrvk
Kool-aid flavors on wiki visual by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 07:13:54 PM
http://tinyurl.com/5h9med
CUNTHAM SNITCHWALKER MY LITTLE BITCH by suit and tie	Apr 24th, 2008 07:16:00 PM
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No-one move.... hold still by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 07:21:20 PM
suit and tie's vision is based on movement.
it's perfect! by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 07:24:17 PM
oh nodey, you couldn't have chosen better. such a romantic. can this be our song? http://tinyurl.com/3l93eu
That's the best midi web cheese I've seen by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 07:26:41 PM
in years!
we have approval by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 07:30:54 PM
from room 23! i can totally picture will ferrell and anna gasteyer.
4we8 by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 07:35:45 PM
T-1hr25mins. aaarrrrggghh! why? why? why?
why? by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 07:36:25 PM
must we wait?
gotilk by redfishbluefish	Apr 24th, 2008 07:47:34 PM
'suit and tie's vision is based on movement'. brilliant.
gotilk, "The shiny, candy-like invisotext..." by L.H.Puttgrass	Apr 24th, 2008 08:31:53 PM
Space Madness rules! I love a good Ren & Stimpy reference. "Ohh, the shiny, candy-like button!"
Fount of Useless Info by CherryValance	Apr 24th, 2008 08:36:26 PM
You're right. Now I'll have to come up with a new secret identity. This isn't me anymore. covers eyes
Hey redfish, L.H.! by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 08:37:22 PM
Good to see ya. You noticed the Ren and Stimpy reference. Cool. I wasn't sure anyone would. I have SPACE MADNESS!! waiting for Lost to air.
Ren & Stimpy by shellfishh	Apr 24th, 2008 08:44:18 PM
"Do you have any rubber walrus protectors?" From Ren and Stimpy, still the creepiest thing ever uttered in a piece of animation.
shellfishh by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 08:53:57 PM
SO many of those moments in Ren and Stimpy. To this day, when I see something really, really creepy, I whisper to the person next to me "call.. the.. police..".
Gotik by shellfishh	Apr 24th, 2008 09:03:20 PM
"I...have a dream. That someday, everyone, everywhere, will know the wonder of my nipples." Or something like that.
wow by Holodigm	Apr 24th, 2008 09:07:53 PM
ben can play rachmaninov
Risk! I called it! by kyle051554	Apr 24th, 2008 09:11:02 PM
I KNEW it would be Risk! Also, this episode fucking rocks so far.
Double WOW by shellfishh	Apr 24th, 2008 09:12:37 PM
A talkbacker can recognize Rachnaminov.
HOLY FUCK. by mefrog	Apr 24th, 2008 09:18:20 PM
How many people just got owned?
OMFG that was the sheeeyat! by theredtoad	Apr 24th, 2008 09:18:58 PM
Claire got blown the fuck up!!
19 minutes have already gone by by CherryValance	Apr 24th, 2008 09:20:08 PM
and it felt like 15 were commercials
Who else LOLed... by ddschneider1972	Apr 24th, 2008 09:20:21 PM
when Sawyer kept yelling at the "Red Shirts" and they got picked off, 1, 2,3?
I think I would like this show better if they fired Lindelof by Mose Schrute	Apr 24th, 2008 09:24:19 PM
And put Drew Goddard and Brian Vaughn in charge. This episode is kicking ass.
I have no idea what's going on by CherryValance	Apr 24th, 2008 09:26:12 PM
where did he come from and who are these walkie talkers?
so did ben teleport to tunisia? by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 09:26:45 PM
That's what it seems like. and he wasn't sure of the year...so time travel too.
So, is it me... by ddschneider1972	Apr 24th, 2008 09:26:45 PM
or was that last segment shorter than the commercial breaks?
Oh Ice Cream Bar by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 09:27:17 PM
How I love your creamy filling. MMMMMmmmmmmmm (Bubbles) MMMMMMMmmmmm (more bubbles)
the mercs are obviously from the chopper by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 09:28:25 PM
remember? they were "on a mission" or other similar thing.
Fucking commercials. by mefrog	Apr 24th, 2008 09:28:47 PM
A half hour has gone by, we've seen what, eighteen minutes?
here's where ben recruits sayid by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 09:29:40 PM
dayumn.
AH! Look away... look away west coast by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 09:34:36 PM
WARNING! DANGER!
Ohhhh nooo by CherryValance	Apr 24th, 2008 09:37:04 PM
And I thought my dad sucked.
gott-DAMN by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 09:37:14 PM
hardcore.
Gotilk by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 09:37:15 PM
I can't believe you had to waste bandwidth explaining the morality of sharing free TV on P2P Networks. For those of you who have grabbed LOST and BSG from me - you know everything is legit and I don't slipe anything funky in there. I share because I have a love for fans of my favorite shows. Some can't see them for months or years later...if at all. So I do what I can to help.
HOLY SHIT by mefrog	Apr 24th, 2008 09:37:44 PM

HOLY SHIT by Holodigm	Apr 24th, 2008 09:37:50 PM
they're just killing off characters
HOLY FUCKING SHIT by kyle051554	Apr 24th, 2008 09:38:04 PM
THIS EPISODE IS AWESOME.
Weak by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 09:38:05 PM
Weak.
Wow by Maxer	Apr 24th, 2008 09:38:30 PM
Didn't think that would actually happen. But does give some motivation as to why Ben actively pursues Widmore after they get off the island, for sure.
Son of a bitch. by Shermdawg	Apr 24th, 2008 09:39:07 PM

Good God by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 09:39:25 PM
THAT is the first time I ever saw Ben in PURE SHOCK AND SADNESS. HE IS HUMAN! And I think he has just really become one of the Good Guys. Poor Fuckin Alex.
Holy Christ! by arcade fireman	Apr 24th, 2008 09:39:41 PM
That was Cold Blooded.
Yes skywalkerfamily, Locke died. by Shermdawg	Apr 24th, 2008 09:39:55 PM

ben is about to pull out smokey by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 09:40:54 PM
trust me.
And I can't believe I mean this by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 09:40:59 PM
Poor Ben
Ben's Got that look . . . by Larry of Arabia	Apr 24th, 2008 09:41:09 PM
the same one Bruce Banner got just before he turned into the Hulk.
he thought he and widmore had an unspoken deal by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 09:42:13 PM
but apparently they don't. ben's about to use smokey to kill all these fuckers.
I'm glad some of the redshirts are dying by Maxer	Apr 24th, 2008 09:42:21 PM
Maybe there will be no Oceanics left on the island when all is said and done.
dude what date did they say the flash forwards were in by Norm Cascade	Apr 24th, 2008 09:42:41 PM
I missed that part earlier. 2005, right?
Fucking weak by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 09:42:45 PM
But apparently Claire can survive a rocket launcher attack.
west coast - look away by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 09:44:29 PM
ben doesn't recruit sayid - sayid is working WITH ben, not FOR ben. this episode is unbelievable.
That should do it! by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 09:44:49 PM
I LOVE that Ben line. And Sayid BEGS Ben to let him work with him. God Damn I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!
I just screamed really loud by CherryValance	Apr 24th, 2008 09:46:05 PM
LOL what a wimp
super nintendo chalmers by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 09:46:07 PM
I happily accept your resignation from this board. oh AND DID I FUCKING CALL IT OR WHAT! SMOKEY UNLEASHED
mthrndr by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 09:46:12 PM
You called it
telling us location? by jccalhoun	Apr 24th, 2008 09:46:51 PM
Have they ever told us the location of a flashback or forward before? I don't remember them doing that before.
mthrndr by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 09:47:32 PM
"I happily accept your resignation from this board"? What are you talking about?
Cerabrus to the rescue! by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 09:47:45 PM
Bad ass smokin bee atch
Ben and his Pet Smokie by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 09:49:01 PM
How cute!
I'm giddy by kyle051554	Apr 24th, 2008 09:49:20 PM
That was so fucking cool. HE CALLED THE FUCKING SMOKE MONSTER.
so wait by CherryValance	Apr 24th, 2008 09:49:28 PM
(west coast spoilers) Does this mean that Danielle is definitely dead? Her storyline doesn't need to go any further if Alex is dead. That totally sucks though.
Fuck this is good by arcade fireman	Apr 24th, 2008 09:49:36 PM
OMFG this episode is kicking all sorts of ass. Ben controls Smokey? Smokey kills em' all!!!
it's official by Holodigm	Apr 24th, 2008 09:49:56 PM
Ben has surpassed Sawyer as King Badass!
chalmers - did I misunderstand your weak comment by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 09:50:36 PM
if you're calling this episode weak, you're delusional. this may be one of the greatest episodes they've ever done, so far. oh, and is it me or was that last break like 30 seconds long.
geez thanks, daniel by CherryValance	Apr 24th, 2008 09:51:50 PM
this situation is so not improving
Spoilers by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 09:52:30 PM
I was calling it weak that Alex bit the dust. Great episode. And I bow to the smoke monster call. No one may believe it, but I called that they were playing risk before they showed it.
Oh no he didn't by CherryValance	Apr 24th, 2008 09:53:37 PM
uhhhhhhhhh don't point the gun at him
Big Brother Sawyer by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 09:54:39 PM
I love how this is developing
ok - sorry by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 09:54:39 PM
disregard my comment.
i still don't beleive that they are dead by jccalhoun	Apr 24th, 2008 09:56:24 PM
I still don't believe that Alex or the French Woman are dead. No funeral, not dead.
did not see this coming. by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 09:56:53 PM

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 09:58:25 PM
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
NOOOOOOOOOOO by CherryValance	Apr 24th, 2008 09:58:45 PM
I hate Ben. Don't kill her. sobs
Damn by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 09:59:20 PM
I guess he shouldn't have changed the rules. Desmond's gonna be pissed. Those two should just play a game of Risk.
YOu have got to be kidding me by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 09:59:29 PM
PENNY!
Just throwing this out there..... by shellfishh	Apr 24th, 2008 09:59:43 PM
Do we have any evidence that Widmore is NOT Hanso? If they don't age.......
Off to prep my illegal video by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 10:00:31 PM
I'm such a bad ass.
The gods are playing a game with us by rbrog77	Apr 24th, 2008 10:01:42 PM
That is all...for now
Great episode by alex138	Apr 24th, 2008 10:02:25 PM
nuff said.
Desmond is gonna die!!! by theredtoad	Apr 24th, 2008 10:03:13 PM
When he loses his constant, who's about to be killed by Ben!
Damn by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 10:03:16 PM
A lot went down in that episode. I have to say that the highlight was Ben's pet monster. Close second was Risk. I love Risk.
WHO is Charles Widmore, really? by arcade fireman	Apr 24th, 2008 10:03:19 PM
His island? Is he immortal like Richard Alpert? Holy shit this story just gets better and better and my mind is officially blown.
I might be Hanso at this point by CherryValance	Apr 24th, 2008 10:04:04 PM
I don't know what's going on. They can't kill Penny though. I will lose it. LOSE IT.
SINGLE GREATEST HOUR SINCE THE SERIES PREMIERE!!! by zillabeast	Apr 24th, 2008 10:04:49 PM
I fucking mean it, too. GLORIOUS!!!!
here's my take by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 10:05:18 PM
Widmore worked with hanso to develop the dharma initiative to exploit the island. Ben took that away in the purge, working with the hostiles/others. Now widmore's trying to get back. ben is on a vendetta, and widmore's still looking for the island. the answers are starting to come, and the story is starting to flesh out nicely. we know how sayid started working with ben. we know ben control cerberus. we know what ben is doing off the island. what we're missing is most of the island native mythology - the lack of aging, the lack of children, the statue, the temple. I'm confident all that will come now. you can't create an episode as stellar as this and not know exactly what you're doing.
Damn Ben by arcade fireman	Apr 24th, 2008 10:05:18 PM
I understand but don't kill Penny just yet. Desmond loves her and they must reunite. After that, kill the bitch!
Back to form by dean999	Apr 24th, 2008 10:05:46 PM
Solid episode all around. They actually featured pretty much all of the characters. In Hurley's 4.1 flashforward, he tells Jack that he's sorry he went with Locke. Could he actually be referring to this upcoming cabin search?
Hell hath no fury by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 24th, 2008 10:05:51 PM
like the smoke monster unleashed. Very nice return to Lost - I missed thee. Buncha good stuff tonight. Well we know that Ben visited Widmore when he went in that room in the house, very cool. Now we have the Penelope/Desmond vs Ben line. That is going to be intense. And I finally got something right with my prediction that it was the boat people who shot Karl and Rousseau at the end of 4.8. Oh and Ben Linus can be the next Indiana Jones.
don't worry, ben won't kill penny by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 10:07:12 PM
it may end up being the climax of the series, but ben won't do it. it would be completely antithetical to his idea that he's a 'good' person.
i have a feeling by mbg98	Apr 24th, 2008 10:07:47 PM
that charles widmore knew Ben when he was a kid, thats why he called him "boy" ergo he was either one of the original island inhabitants or one of the pirates who crashed (or was teleported?) on the island in the Black Rock. Makes sense. He kinda sounds like a pirate too. "that island's MINE." They also seem to have an unspoken set of rules between them, like they've been playing a private game of hide and seek for a long, long time.
So... how many people who survived the original crash are actual by mefrog	Apr 24th, 2008 10:08:16 PM
It seems like with the elimination of the three by Whitty's crowd, they've wiped out pretty much everyone but the major characters (and maybe a couple on the beach). Anyone know who's left of the passengers?
Wow, this really is the greatest show of all time by Sakurai	Apr 24th, 2008 10:08:21 PM
Its so good it hurts. I cant believe this is a network TV show. Brilliant episode (although the smoke monster was kind of a let down, I was hoping for ben to have some superpower that had yet to be seen).
Dean999 by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 24th, 2008 10:08:24 PM
Yeah I think the 'I never shoulda went with Locke' is referring to the moment tonight when he volunteered to go to with Locke. Without Hurely they wouldn't be able to find Jacob's cabin and the fun stuff that ensues
bad memory by trafficguy2000	Apr 24th, 2008 10:08:31 PM
when did Sai find his wife in the first place? Very nice ep otherwise, wish it was still a 9 start east cost tho...
that episode sucked by krycek08	Apr 24th, 2008 10:09:49 PM
they threw in every cliche they could imagine, oh a next week jack needs surgery, LOL, how weak.
Mmmmm....LOST by sjlm90	Apr 24th, 2008 10:10:21 PM
I like how this show always seems to blow our minds. Has anyone mention the teleportation that Ben did at the beginning? Throwing up being the "ride's" effects.. Smokey is like a freight train. and Penny can't die! CAN'T! unless from old age, with Desmond on the side. And I still don't buy that Roussou is dead.
Wooooooooooooooooooow by SilentP	Apr 24th, 2008 10:11:16 PM
Jesus Christ Almighty that was fantastic. That was like my favorite episode ever. Ben is such a fucking badass. I don't know where all that badassness came from, but I am extremely pleased to see it. I'm wondering if the Ben/Widmore situation is supposed to be a kind of God/Devil game, where they're trying to see who will win, good or evil. Hence, the "rules". But I dunno.
MeshGearFoxx by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 10:11:34 PM
I mentioned this several hours ago, but I was one who thought The Others killed Karl and Rousseau. So good call, because I feel like a fucking douche. I was like "stop over-thinking it, it's obviously The Others." I should have learned by now that nothing is fucking obvious.
mthrndr that whole notion about Ben by theredtoad	Apr 24th, 2008 10:12:26 PM
is out the window.. You heard him say it "He changed the rules". Ben's daughter was murdered, and we all know what a father would do when he loses a child on this show. AAAAAAAAAAALLEEEEXX!
This show is all over the fucking place. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 24th, 2008 10:14:16 PM
Seriously. From complete ridiculousness to "Oh my God, I can't believe Ben just called Smokey!" coolness. This episode was wildly uneven but it saved itself with the face-to-face between Ben and Widmore. Which has got me thinking: Who else thinks that Widmore used to be on the Island many years ago...long before Ben came there? Cause I'm thinking Charles and Richard Alpert might have been on the Island circa Black Rock...if not earlier. (If that's the case, then it would make up for the stupid multi-millionaire industrialist who wants the Island for himself! stuff.)
Last scene by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 10:15:16 PM
If they are such mortal enemies, why don't they try to kill each other? Are they protected by the island, or do they get off on their little game?
mbg98 by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 24th, 2008 10:15:59 PM
Regarding Widmore, it sounds like you and I are on the same wavelength.
holy shit.... by br1947	Apr 24th, 2008 10:16:57 PM
I really don't know what else to say... holy shit! Not to geek out too much, but did the "They changed the rules" scene with Ben remind anyone else of the scene from Buffy where Tara got shot and Willow went batshit crazy and started killing everyone? Ben was twisted before, but shit I'm looking for him to start pulling lightning bolts from the sky now.
The hero of the series by dean999	Apr 24th, 2008 10:19:31 PM
I think, ultimately, that Hurley will end up being the hero of the show. The nuances that the writers throw into his flashbacks portray him as very innocent and pure at heart. His morality hasn't been tainted or shaken like most of the others. Also, the writers have been setting him up for something great. He deserves the ultimate payoff in the end--whether its through sacrifice or happiness. I just see a wealth of opportunity with his mental insecurities/capabilities that have been set up and purposely put on the backburner in order for something huge to occur
SN Chalmers by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 24th, 2008 10:20:27 PM
no you can definitely make a case for either scenario but you're right, nothing is fucking obvious haha. It was the first time tonight when Be hasn't been in control of a situation (i.e., outcome was his). Wow, the look on his face after her death. And I loved the camera on him when Locke and Sawyer were talking around him. Great shot.
dean999 by 5-15-9	Apr 24th, 2008 10:21:51 PM
I don't know if I agree with that 100 percent. I mean, I follow the logic, but I think Desmond is going to be the hero. He's the only character without any real flaws. He's certainly the most noble.
it's very possible by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 10:23:13 PM
widmore may have been on the black rock, even. Also, loved how they offed those three random losties in quick succession. I'm betting it's an homage to star trek and how the random people always get killed. I'm going to have to watch this one again. did ben say to widmore "you know I can't do that[kill you]"? I was too busy picking my jaw off the floor to here. I totally didn't expect that ending at all. ben going after penny, whoa.
The jacket Ben had on in the desert... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 24th, 2008 10:25:10 PM
It was a DHARMA jacket with the nametag "Halliwax". Maybe Widmore was the original captain of the Black Rock. (Wasn't it a slave ship?) So that makes him double evil -- a slave-ship captain. Since Widmore has been unable to return to the island, he has been growing old. He's mortal now. He doesn't want to die. That's why he wants to go back to the island. Simple as that.
Ashok0 by jimbojones123	Apr 24th, 2008 10:25:11 PM
krycek08 actually has a legit gripe. The Appendamnican'tbelievetheyared oingthis is kinda lame.
everyone saying widmore was on black rock by Holodigm	Apr 24th, 2008 10:25:36 PM
remember, he owns a painting of the black rock, or something like that. i forget, it's been a while, but he's definitely connected to it.
5-15-9 by dean999	Apr 24th, 2008 10:27:11 PM
I would be incredibly happy if Desmond gets the payoff. He's always been my favorite character. But I can't seem to shake the idea that the creators had some epic plan for Hurley from day one. Well, I guess thats the genius of the show...it will probably keep us guessing up till the series finale
dean999 by KnightShift	Apr 24th, 2008 10:28:20 PM
That's the first thing I thought too. Hurley wasn't responsible for any great tragedy by going with Locke to the barracks, but if he's helping Locke find Jacob's cabin that just screams out foreshadowing.
What interest does Widmore have in by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 24th, 2008 10:28:55 PM
killing Nadia? Sure the guy was obviously tailing him but that doesn't mean he's linked to the murder. Plus Sayid was awfully quick to jump to Ben's conclusion based on one photo lol I don't quite understand that. Or was Ben lying about that so Sayid would have motivation to join Ben in his fight against Widmore. I'm thinking of Ben's smirk at the end of that scene here.
Wow.... by Sebilrazen	Apr 24th, 2008 10:30:06 PM
so, did Ben get teleported to Tunisia? Same area as the excavated polar bear I reckon. Amazing episode, Benjamin Linus kicks ass.
mthrndr by jimbojones123	Apr 24th, 2008 10:32:21 PM
Really, with the overcliche redshirtism you think this may be a direct reference to Star Trek? Come on. It isn't all about Roddenberry. Isn't Jack trying to tap two chicks SOOOOO Kirkish. And Ben is so Logical in how he evaluates situations. Because we all know that until Star Trek, the good of the one was more important than the good of the many. Sorry Alex. Oh, and I can't wait til next week when Juliette says "Dammit Kate, I'm a Doctor, not a Doctor. Jack isn't going to make it." Or when Sayied is trying to fix the radio and says "I'm giving it all I got, Deasmond." Way to look at poeple dying and say STAR TREK IS THE BASIS FOR EVERYTHING WITH MEANING!!!! Dumbass.
Desmond is gonna... by lostboytexass	Apr 24th, 2008 10:32:31 PM
have to lay the smackdown on everyone, the smackdown that Jack Bauer narrowly avoided way back when! I predict Desmond will jam the fog monster up Ben's a$$ in the season finale. Makes sense!
HOW DO YOU BONEHEADS DO IT? by Fish Tank	Apr 24th, 2008 10:32:44 PM
I mean that in the nicest way, but... HOW can you possibly watch the show AND type at the same time? I'm one of thosepeople that gets/wants to be completely immersed in a show and can't stand distraction. If you're typing while watching, don't you find you're missing something? Have you tried not to? Anyway - GREAT episode, I could watch this show 'til I'm 103 years old.
Widmore doesn't just own the Black Rock painting... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 24th, 2008 10:32:47 PM
He owns the ship captain's journal, which he won at the auction where Desmond went to find him. The journal is obviously a plot device, which was set up in that scene.
MeshGearFoxx by jimbojones123	Apr 24th, 2008 10:34:00 PM
Maybe Nadia is more "in the know", or He's just trying to fish out Ben. He was expecting him.
I don't know if I saw the future but I knew he'd go after Penny by Stormwatcher	Apr 24th, 2008 10:34:09 PM
Mainly because she's Widmore's Daughter. Can't believe they killed off Rousseau and her kid. I know we will get the backstory but that is some UNRESOLVED shit man. To those that say this is uneven, buy a level dude. PLEASE GAIUS TELL ME, TELL ME TO MY F**KING FACE WHAT IS UNEVEN ABOUT THAT EPISODE. Oh and I adore BSG so don't bring it into your argument. They are exclusive. Awesome. and beyond your reproach. Unless you wrote a Rome Season1 and 2. Then you can criticize, cuz then you would be a God.
Fish Tank by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 10:36:09 PM
Commercials help.
you know, I always thought Sayid was the baddest ass on the show by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 10:37:01 PM
And as much as I loved his flash-forward episode a couple months ago, I was a little miffed at the end when he seemed to be working for ben. but I, like most other people, made the assumption that he was somehow doing this against his will, and that ben was controlling sayid. But this episode turned that on its head. Sayid is STILL the badass I thought he was - in fact working with ben instead of for him. And the brilliance of the show is this: this can be true, and it can STILL be possible that ben is pulling the 'long con' on sayid, and used Nadia's death to manipulate sayid into WANTING to do Ben's bidding. In fact, I'm sure this is true. Ben wants to use Sayid to kill Penny, so that he doesn't have to pull the trigger. That way ben can still be 'good'. And even so, it takes nothing away from Sayid's awesomeness.
That is an A+ Episode by edshrinker	Apr 24th, 2008 10:37:02 PM
And I mean it by God. Time/Spacial teleportation and the "effects" witnessed right in the first 30 seconds. Ben has quite a toy...which he leaves behind (and now can't find the island) by coming out to deal with Widdy. We get Ben's ability to call Smokie to defend the island...though if Ben or anyone else got in it's way, it is probably unpredictable. Ben and Widdy are locked in a game for control of that island - but the deal was, no killing family. WIddy broke the rules. No our lovely Penny is in harms way. Des and Ben have got to work this one out. Ben IS AN ASS KICKER!!! Jack is gonna need surgery (maybe why they take him as an O-6?) Damn there is just so much. I LOVE THIS SHOW!
I think I figured something out... by lennonisgod	Apr 24th, 2008 10:39:16 PM
Ben, obviously, time traveled to the Sahara at the beginning. Him lying on the ground with his head shaking being the first clue, and then not knowing the exact year being the second. So what I am thinking is that the polar bear skeleton with the Dharma collar was a test for the time travelling equiptment. They were sending animals through because they didn't want to test on humans first. This is most likely the usage fo the orchid station, one that can transport someone to a differant place and time. Makes sense to me. Smoke monster owns man.
Austrailia is the key to the whole game by Steve_Dooku	Apr 24th, 2008 10:40:23 PM
"says you" hmmmmm.......
jimbojones123, fail. by mthrndr	Apr 24th, 2008 10:41:54 PM
just fail. douche.
mthrndr by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 24th, 2008 10:43:04 PM
Your comments are along the lines of what I posted. I agree. Sayid is working for Ben even tho he thinks he is working with him. Ben is likely the one that killed Nadia to create teh motivation. I like your point of Ben having Sayid hunt down Penny. Has Sayid seen what Penny look slike yet? Did he ever see Desmond's photo? If so, I want to know how Ben is going to frame it so Desmond is willing to kill her.
The hotness of the Alex! Lost! by newc0253	Apr 24th, 2008 10:45:49 PM
nooo! First Nikki, now Alex. she'd better come back as a smokezilla apparition or something. p.s. great episode.
Sayid & Penny by Redfoot the Fence	Apr 24th, 2008 10:46:13 PM
Didn't Sayid see Penny on the helicopter with Desmond? I'm pretty sure he did...
Piltdown Joey by MeshGearFoxx	Apr 24th, 2008 10:46:33 PM
My understanding is that the London scene occurred when Ben went into his secret room after Alex had been killed. With time running slower on the island, what took seconds on the island took minutes in London.
Desmond vs Sayid by lostboytexass	Apr 24th, 2008 10:47:31 PM
Sayid is going to make one spicy haggis when Des is finished with him
HOLY FUCKING SHIT. by CatVutt	Apr 24th, 2008 10:47:46 PM
Just a kick-ass, take-no-prisoners episode. Fucking awesome. I have no problem blasting this show when it fails, so I have to fucking applaud when it kicks ass...and tonight kicked ASS. Best episode of the season...hell, right up there with the best of best.
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Heinous! by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 10:51:43 PM
And speedy!
My Theory * READ IT ALL* by chaseguy17	Apr 24th, 2008 10:52:17 PM
When you enter the island, you jump 2 years into the future. When you leave the island, you jump 2 years back. (or so...heck, maybe its 108 days). Here's my thoughts on this. Charlotte found a dharma symbol in the desert of Tunisia...yet this was before Ben had escaped the island. (or was it?) This is why Ben is rich, and this is why Charles wants the island so much. If you set up satellites, equipment etc., like Ben and the others have done, you can receive television, internet and communications with the rest of the world. Think of the power you would have if you could have information 2 years ahead of time. Stock markets, gambling, etc., you could make billions. Which is what they do. They leave the island and play the market. This explains how Juliet's sister was cured from cancer so quick. Because while it seemed like such a short time...it was really two years later. So essentially, when the oceanic 6 escape the island and leave...they jump 2 years back from the time they are on the island. So the oceanic six could literally be back in the "real world" before the rescuers have even left. Ben could have buried the dharma symbol before Charlotte even left on the plane. Just something to think about...but I definitely think the rocket test that was performed a few episodes ago, that showed the huge delay was the huge indication of this. It also gives reason to why Charles wants the island so bad. Now for my sketchy hunch: Tonight when Ben went into his closet/tomb, I definitely think he went back in time. In fact...i think he went back in time and killed some of the guards that were in front of the house. Rather than have some huge discrepancy that would shatter the space time continuum, I think the smoke monster is a worm hole (similar to Donnie Darko). The smoke monster kills everyone in the present who was just killed in the past as a way to create a status quo/constant. People see people from their past with the smoke monster...because the monster is a wormhole. Everything about it is time. People see people from their past when they stare into it. This would also need to imply that somehow Eco was killed in the past, and so was the pilot. I wouldn't be surprised if we see an episode with the pilot being murdered creating huge question marks. Well hopefully my crazy theory helped answer that.
OMG... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 24th, 2008 10:52:41 PM
What an AWESOME episode!!! I can't believe Alex is dead! Might as well give the Emmy to LOST already. Nothing on television even comes close!
Ok by Series7	Apr 24th, 2008 10:53:35 PM
So Tom Sawyers action scene right before the second commercial were those three extras got shot one after another..... HILARIOUS! Oh Jack Bender what comedic situations do you have install for me for the rest of the funniest show on tv? Perhaps a cameo from Chucky? One can only hope.
Wow, chaseguy17 by Super Nintendo Chalmers	Apr 24th, 2008 10:55:05 PM
"The smoke monster kills everyone in the present who was just killed in the past as a way to create a status quo/constant." What a theory.
GOT IT! by gotilk	Apr 24th, 2008 10:56:00 PM
More than an hour early. Yay.
decent EP by BurgerKing	Apr 24th, 2008 10:56:41 PM
The last 15 minutes were the best though. I was only so-so digging the hosta

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