Goddammit I like a good cliffhanger but I hate waiting!

So it is obviously taking a break, but who knows for how long? Despite the fact that Sky is a co-producer and got the jump on the US the other week, screening Sine Non Qua early, I really don't think Sky has much pull or say over how the show screens. We got season 1 before the US, but I suspect that was mainly because the US suits wanted to see how it played as a trial run. I think the UK is still the tail on the dog.

For the record, despite some more mixed eps (including Sine Qua Non), i think s4 has been great

Rumour also has it that they were planning to split the season anyway to stretch things but as it is, they still haven't quite finished filming the last of the episodes yet.

Yeah, I did it. I nuked the fridge :D

Oh...uh...I may not be able to catch the episode tonight. But I'll be with you in spirit! The Sunday replay is my friend...

Now, I say this with the admission that I'm not entirely pleased with the way these things have played out so far. Episodes have been bizarrely uneven and certain characters (and plot points) have become either stagnant or unfocused. It's not that this season hasn't had its incredible moments. They just feel few and far between while everything else feels uncertain.

However, I can't imagine this show would remain uncertain for very long. I still think it's going to 'splode.

sorry defenders of the 4th season. its just not the same show anymore. its fun, but dumb fun.

p.s. season 4 haterz can suck my big fat one. no season of galactica is perfect, but this one is pretty great so far.

...HELO!!!

Helo does always seem to be in some crucial situations...and he always seems to make the right decision. Oh, that would be sneaky. I'm putting Helo on my Final Cylon Suspect List. (Zarek is still tops.)

Did I say that?

No. It might be, but it's too early to say.

You, on the other hand, need to learn to read.

now, athena and helo love each other, no doubt about it = hera.

chief, for all his "I settled for less, boohoo" whining obviously once loved cally. and she, like, always loved him = nicholas stephen tyrol.

now, as for tigh and caprica six... I don't think that there's a way in hell he's in love with her. he is in love with ellen though.

a lot.

and he keeps seeing her as ellen.

a lot.

so that takes care of one half of the equation. as for the other half, the only logical explanation would be that she's been disappointed in baltar enough times to be finally over him.

and that she's found someone who's even more messed up then baltar to fall in love with.

no love, no babies.

just my 2 cents...

reading comprehension? apparently not your strong suite.

Athena had false memories, did the other cylons? This throws me off a little. If Zarek has known for a long time then that may validate or even elaborate on the "cylon zarek" deal I suppose. I also cant imagine the final cylon as Lee Adama. Remember when he got all porked up, fatty style? Could (even an unknowing) cylon really let himself go like that?

Be that as it may, I've already said that if one of the Adama boys turns out to be a toaster, I'm throwing my TV out the frakkin' window.

Yes, Zarek was establishes as a radical political terrorist. In fact, Lee/Apollo said he admired and agreed with a lot of Zarek's philosophies until his methods became violent.

As for Zarek being the Final Cylon, I think one clue is the fact that the Fifth did not make an appearance at the rendevous/revelation with the other Four. My belief is because that particular Cylon was not onboard the Galactica. However, I could be wrong and it's very possible that the Final Cylon may already be aware of its true nature.

Good luck.

"However, I could be wrong and it's very possible that the Final Cylon may already be aware of its true nature."

couldnt it be both? That he (assuming its a he) knew AND wasnt able to "make the meeting"? Or that he knew way before the other four, and for his own reasons, decided to skip it? This sounds far juicer to me.

I dont want it to be "oh god, Im a cylon too!", Id rather it be "so you finally figured it out! MOO-HA-HA!"

which brings up the question of the alignment of the final cylon? Will he be pure unaldulterated evil? Or just a pretty cool guy? Sorry, Im kinda lost on the exact motives of the final five, lol.

"Starbuck" and "head"........ah yeah.

wait, didnt she punch somebody since she got back? They manhandled her and threw her in the brig at one point, also?

intriguing theory. but the downside is, ghosts dont give head.

Absolutely. Don't you remember Lee giving her a big hug when she returned to the Galactica? Or, everyone holding her down after Roslin almost made a canoe out of her head?

Damn. The In-Head stuff is perplexing stuff though.

The whole in-head stuff that Ron Moore has been doing throughout this show is screwy and unexplained. I have this feeling he will never fully explain it when the series ends -- because he himself never came up with a logical explanation for the in-head characters.

There are still so many unanswered questions. To be honest there really isn't that much time left. Unless they cram it all into the final half of this season. I have a bad feeling that a lot is going not to be answered.

For some reason, I imagine a scene where Roslin is looking out a portal window in the Galactica. She's dying and has requested that she be moved to a portal because she wants to see Earth as the last thing she sees before she dies. So it's Starbuck who fulfills her request -- she wheels Roslin to a portal. And it's just the two of them watching as our big blue planet starts to fill their view. Roslin dies happily, at peace. And when the camera pulls back, Starbuck is gone.

:fade to black:

And, there is always the possibility they are wrong: as far as we know, the Cylons base that assumption on the info they got from the Raiders, who only had an interaction with Anders. Maybe they just assumed from that that ALL Five are there.....

So it is possible that Starbuck could still BE Starbuck, but be now in an InHead form. She could command a ship, be seen by everyone, etc., as an InHead without violating any "rule" already demonstrated by previous InHead appearances.

And then there are the events that occur that so obviously defy logic and reasoning that they damage even my willingness to suspend disbelief (and I'm a very, very willing guy). A traitor is found innocent, then becomes president, who then acts as a puppet president for the invading cylons, orders the deaths of untold hundreds, perhaps even thousands, is eventually deposed and nearly killed, becomes a traitor yet again, and is now a religious Jimy Swaggert type for nearly half the fleet, which, incidentally, seems to be entirely composed of mentally retarded field mice. And that is JUST ONE character arc! What about other blatantly illogical actions occur on this show? Unstable people become commanders without so much as a peep from said commander's peers. Characters shoot people with little more punishment than brig time.

And then there are the cylons who are in our galactic fleet of lemming children. We've got people who are cylon infiltrators, half-cylon babies, five secret cylons, people with cylons in their heads, and honest, open cylon rebels. The only guys who we're pretty sure arent cylons are either dead or dying, if you ask me.

Then there is the obvious budgetary problems with this show. Ever since the third season began, it has been obvious from the start that this BSG's budget has been cut. For every few seconds of effects, we get episode on top of episode filled with pointless asides that do nothing to further the story, which has screeched to a halt as a result. Where we were once subjected to episodes filled with a plethora of story threads entangling with one another (yet still focused on the ultimate plot), we now get bogged down on entire episodes devoted to only one character at a time, and these episodes are anything but dialogue/action/plot heavy. No, they are mostly filled with the characters staring off into nothingness, wondering if they've turned the oven off before they left their quarters.

This is a show that was obviously intended to have only three seasons and has instead been stretched, to the breaking point, to four seasons.

Which brings me to my final complaint: the Sci-Fi channel. These guys have completely, utterably, and undeniably screwed the pooch on this show. Due to they're demanding of a third season and they're glacieral pace in producing the fourth season, BSG, were one to somehow overlook the glaringly hackneyed writing, he or she would still find it exceedingly difficult to sustain anticipation, suspense, and even interest in the outcome of this series.

In short, BSG, a show that was once a tightly scripted, well-acted drama involving realistic portrayals of human beings as they struggle to survive and fight against an all encompassing enemy, has now descended into the realm of situational, comic-bookESQUE soap-opera pap.

If the Fifth is kinda running/orchestrating events, could be in another location, another form, multiple locations [cough-Hybrid-cough]

Let's not forget that the Five serve the One (per the texts read aloud at least twice during the Jupiter episode), so the One may be doing the orchestrating/running, and the Five do his/her bidding.

And let's also not forget that the "Leoben" who guided Kara into the Maelstrom was NOT Leoben: Kara, immediately after her mother passed, looked at him, smiled a big smile, and said "You're not Leoben" to which he replied: "I never said I was...."

So the Fifth may be able to appear to anyone in any form (InHead, or maybe not) as needed. Or maybe the Not Leoben was also Not the Fifth, either.

Maybe we can take that at face value......

Starbuck has always been somehow different, and came back from "death" somehow different from before (along with a different Viper, as well).

No need to go Apeshit when somebody thinks out loud in a talkback...

She was a NoShow InHead as he lay there bleeding out....

Is season 4 good? We'll only know once SciFi gets around to airing the whole thing.

It would make sense if the Final Cylon was someone who wasn't on the Galactica during the activation. That would explain why they didn't meet up with the others. Hell they might have heard the damn Dylan song, shrugged about the crazy ass music playing in their head and gone back to cleaning toilets. I fully expect the last Cylon is a janitor since we need one to mop up the rest of this series.

Give me a frakkin break with the gun in the face scenes! Off the top of my head we've seen it with Roslyn and Starbuck, Baltar and Lavatory Grunt #2, Tigh and Adama in addition to Lampkin and Lee this season. It never goes anywhere and nobody gets shot! It's called crying wolf you bunch of fucking hacks. And Gaeta doesn't count, no one cares about his leg.

And Roslin hugging Adama at the end. Great moment.

Season 4 continues to kick ass.

great line

And I got the basic idea of the show. It wasn't too hard to figure out who was good and who was bad. It was man versus robot. Humans looked like Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict...Cylons looked like robots. They had shiny, clanking robot bodies and a red eye that goes back and forth and even gives off an electronic whir so you KNOW it's a fucking robot. And most important of all, when you shoot them -- BAM! -- out come wires and sparks and lots of ROBOT STUFF.

Ok, check. Got it. Robots are bad. Shoot the robots before they shoot you.

So flashing forward in time, geek at heart that I am, I was among those pysched to hear that they were updating and bringing back BSG. And I still remember watching this version's premiere. I thought it was fun that in the premiere they showed us an old Larsen-era Cylon in a glass case. And I understood the basic set-up. Decades ago the humans were at war with the Cylons -- that is, Cylons who looked like the old TV show -- and the humans won and beat them back. The Cylons disappeared. And now every year a human ambassador goes to this remote space station and waits to see IF a Cylon ambassador will show up as well to officially resume talks or declare a truce or whatever. And sure enough, what happens in the premiere? Two clanking robots show up followed by -- GASP! SHOCK! -- a hot blond (Six) and we now learn that Cylons no longer look like robots, but instead like us.

Ok, check. Got it. The NEW twist for the NEW version is that robots LOOK like humans and there are 12 models amongst us. But just the same, as everyone in the human fleet constantly reminds us show after show, they're still frakkin' TOASTERS. That's right, the Cylons are still MACHINES.

Which is where I'm now totally confused. Overall I like the show, but I don't feel like going back and sitting through a zillion of the more boring episodes to get an answer to this, so maybe some die-hard BSG fan can answer this for me...

Why are they frakkin' Toasters? Why are the humans still even calling them that? How are they even machines at this point? Seriously, what the fuck is this show about anymore and why should the humans and cylons be fighting on ANY level anymore?

If Apollo screws Starbuck and gets her pregnant, no problem. Obviously we all know our basic biology and humans can have human babies. Check, got it.

But hold your horses: Helo screws Athena, and now we learn that a human guy can knock up a Cylon woman. Ok, in sci-fi terms that's a definite Wowzer. That's certainly a mixed marriage to say the least. Boy, I tell you, Hera must be a true miracle baby! Man and machine mating!

The only problem is The Chief turns out to be a Cylon guy...he screws Calley...and suddenly she gets pregnant and gives birth too. So apparently this whole mixed marriage thing works both ways. Go figure!

BUT WAIT! In the immortal words of Elmer Fudd, That's Not All, Folks! Because now we see that Tigh can screw a Six and knock her up TOO. So it turns out Cylons can have their own kids as well. This is one giant sex-o-rama breeding ground!

So I'm dead serious here. As someone who has actually watched this show since it premiered, I swear I have no idea what the hell is going on anymore. Like I said, how are the Cylons "robots" or "machines" or "frakkin' toasters" if they're getting knocked up BY humans...if they're out knocking UP humans...and if they're now breeding themselves?

And you know what confuses me the most? When you shoot the fuckers, they don't have sparks anymore! It's blood and guts and whatever, so I have NO IDEA why the Cylons and Humans just don't sit down at this point and call it even. At this point, I'm watching BSG simply to see how the series ends, but I swear this thing makes NO sense to me anymore...

The obvious questions once a character becomes pregnant on a show are:

Is the actress pregnant in real life?

Did they write in the pregnancy out of the blue due to the real life situation of the actress?

Either way, I have no desire to see Tricia Helfer pregnant.

Not to mention in Bryan Singer's aborted version (which got as far as set construction and which was going to involve an older Apollo reappearing, with Hatch reprising the role), the pilot episode ended with him on the Cylon home world, at which point in the final fade-out moment he turns to the camera and we see that his eyes are glowing and he's somehow been Cylonized. So I've been guessing Zarek for the incredibly basic reason that someone simply said: "Hey! Let's make it Hatch just for fun!"

(1)the character of the FF

(2)she will find safety and protection with them regardless of what her enemies want to do to her.

That's why she told Roslin that her deception was a waste.

It looks like In-Head Six did not need to come because Elosha was on the case. In-Head Elosha clearly lead Roslin to a turning point which motivated her to save Baltar.

So Baltar has been aided by THREE In-Heads so far - In-Head Six, In-Head Baltar, and now In-Head Elosha via Roslin. Baltar is THE MAN!

The other week we also saw Athena get mighty upset when Hera used her crayons to draw a ton of 6's in her coloring book. So sure enough when Hera runs off -- and Athena races after her and comes upon Hera and the Six in the hallway -- what happens next? Athena pulls her gun and kills the Six. BAM! The Six is toast...Adama goes volcano...he chews Athena out...and into the brig she goes. Why? Because Adama isn't trusting of Cylons either and he feels Athena has now totally let him down.

So with all that going on, how does that episode end? With this fucking warm and fuzzy moment of Adama suddenly realizing that "families should be together", at which point -- as he turns the Galactic temporarily over to Tighe -- he says "Have Hera brought to Athena. It isn't right to keep them apart. Families should always be together."

Aw, isn't that nice? Personally, I think it's really sweet that Adama, as the MILITARY guy who just happens to be in command of ALL THAT'S LEFT OF HUMANITY AFTER ITS BEEN WIPED OUT BY CYLONS thinks that Hera and her Cylon Mom should be together.

Which brings me to my point: when I saw running down the hall, it suddenly hit me. Am I the only one who was thinking: why is this kid being allowed to go ANYWHERE? Am I the only one who would have Hera under a microscope 24/7? I mean seriously, what the hell? The FIRST EVER human/cylon baby and you just let her draw with crayons all day long? SHE'S A FREAK OF NATURE. SHE HAS A FUCKING RED GLOWING SPINE. Wouldn't you think the universe's FIRST KNOWN HYBRID MAN AND MACHINE BABY would be locked in a room behind glass, with about 100 scientists holding clipboards studying her EVERY move?

And even if you DID decide to let Helo and Athena have the kid back, wouldn't you think there would be cameras all over their quarters so the kid could be constantly monitored and studied? I know, I know, she's just a little kid -- but technically isn't she ALSO one of the wildest and wackiest things to have EVER happened in SCIENTIFIC HISTORY? A man and machine have just had a kid, and yet everyone treats Hera like she's any other kindergarten kid.

Seriously, screw putting Athena in the brig -- for being the mutant that she is, why the hell isn't Hera locked up or something?

In other words, it is likely that the journey to Earth is deliberate preparation for the destination (i.e. developing a certain mindset in humanity with respect to what to do with Earth once they get there).

I've been saying for many weeks now that the series will end on ancient Earth, likely in the time of the Ancient Egyptians. After the final battle with the hardline Cylons (Cavil and his lot...Cavil=Devil), the human and Cylon rebels will become stranded. Baltar's monotheists become the Jews, the old-school Colonial polytheists become the Greeks (revering certain characters as gods...Apollo, Athena, D'Anna [Diana] ), and the Cylons interbreed with the humans until they're indistinguishable...

...Except that certain Cylon impulses will survive, driving mankind to repeat the sequence, as they once more build self-aware machines (our era). The first Hybrid's prediction holds true: All this has happened before, all this will happen again.

You're right though...I don't buy that this trusting transition could happen only in the space of a few years. Decades, maybe...

for example we blew up the resurrection ship and now no cylon can reproduce. thats right machines that are self aware, able to download data, and build a whole empire of themselves are suddenly obsolete because nobody thought to back up any of the data about how to build another body, much less a resurrection hub.

etc etc. i still love the show, but its not what it was the 1st two seasons. when it managed to become one of the greatest sci-fi shows ever produced.

the ret-con writing slowly fell apart in season 3 and the corner they put themselves in for this season has been hard to work within. still this season has produced some solid moments. just dont think too hard on the science behind the series or the logic of the writers this season.

Without a doubt, Mary McDonnell deserves an Emmy for this episode.

Still, Zak Adama.

The earliest I can find my own reference to it is in 2005 but I thought I said it when the Mini-Series aired.

But I would still like to see when everyone started to say it. I hope I was one of the first.

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