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Sam Raimi Picks A Showrunner
For WIZARD’S FIRST RULE!!

bleh. by paragraphs	Jun 17th, 2008 12:36:49 AM
the source material is pretty shitty. and it's syndicated. PASS.
Will this be along the lines of Hercules and Xena? by Kurutteru Yatsu	Jun 17th, 2008 12:48:38 AM
Or any of the other syndicated stuff Raimi was involved with in the late 90's?
Source Material rocks! by Dreamwriter	Jun 17th, 2008 01:04:23 AM
...the first three books anyways. And this is the first one, so great! As for Hercules and Xena, it'll be at least a little different, as this has a continuous storyline to follow. ...so what the heck is a showrunner?
Source Material was "meh" by V'Shael	Jun 17th, 2008 03:40:58 AM
Standard sword and sorcery fare, with one new element in it... the maps and the coloured powder. I hadn't seen that anywhere else before. But pretty much every thing else in the novel was familiar to any fantasy reader.
Source material sucks by Mr Willi	Jun 17th, 2008 04:29:04 AM
These books were as about as bargain-basement fantasy as you could get. The fantasy world was generic with no original elements -- every part of it was borrowed from better fantasy works. And the author has an unhealthy obsession with rape. It is so sad because there are far more deserving fantasy series out there, one of which is Leiber's Fafred and the Grey Mouser.
No the source blows ass by d_fens1969	Jun 17th, 2008 05:44:07 AM
It doesnt just suck it blows ass too. Not as badly as Song of Fire and Ice though. Why does all the shitty fantasy get miniseries and the decent stuff get jack?
Song of Ice and Fire by meCPS	Jun 17th, 2008 07:11:38 AM
is the shit! Put down the crack pipe and read more than the first page!
This book was shit. Why build on shit? by Player 1	Jun 17th, 2008 07:19:35 AM
Seriously this book was so pedestrian, so ordinary, that I fail to see why it was greenlighted. A waste of my precious book reading time. EragonLOL.
Oh and while I'm at it... by Player 1	Jun 17th, 2008 07:21:46 AM
Some idiot should pick up some of S Donaldson's work. Covenant will never be made due to the ring connection, but 'A Man Rides Through' was very original and quite entertaining.
Fuck Terry Goodkind by fat lenny	Jun 17th, 2008 07:22:44 AM
Bullshit books. Can't believe crap like this gets made. Can't believe Raimi has fallen this far. Del Toro has mentioned that he wanted to do Fafhrd & the Grey Mouser. Let's wait for that and leave Raimi the fuck out of it.
If they want to make fantasy... by fat lenny	Jun 17th, 2008 07:25:56 AM
They should at least do a Tad Williams series (since HBO is doing Ice and Fire). He's kinda hit-or-miss sometimes, but he could take a dump on blank paper and end up with a better plot and characters than that Goodkind hack.
Robert Jordan by Andyb77	Jun 17th, 2008 08:51:35 AM
An HBO series of Eye of the World would be amazing if it was done justice by tv hacks.
Song of Ice and Fire, is all that matters. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Jun 17th, 2008 09:24:09 AM
Hands down the best of the genre thus far. Kick it into gear HBO! Actually HBO will watch and study Wizard's First Rule's production and learn from the mistakes they make. This will make A Song of Ice and Fire that much more successful.
Fat Lenny's gonna lick my brain today! by Bunger!	Jun 17th, 2008 09:43:00 AM
WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN WEEN
All over an Eye of the World series by password.swordfish	Jun 17th, 2008 10:32:06 AM
Love those books. But it would be really hard to get it right - there's just so much material.
Against the current by thalvar	Jun 17th, 2008 10:36:39 AM
Well, I like all the books so far. I just started reading them about 2-3 weeks before AICN announced that Raimi was going to produce them. I hope the series does well. Although I liked David Gemmell's books more, I'm hooked on the Sword of Truth series.
Legend by Philo	Jun 17th, 2008 11:00:21 AM
not the travesty with Tim curry, Gemmell first novel about Druss the Legend. Connery out of retirement to play the Captain of the Axe
barf by Itchy	Jun 17th, 2008 11:01:18 AM
Seriously - I've read just about every Fantasy series out there since Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings, and this is by far the most insipid, ridiculous, stupid, assinine, sloppy, derivative, retarded book I've ever read. I trudged through 2 of these books based on all the positive reviews before throwing my hands up in disgust. George RR Martin and Steven Erikson wouldn't wipe their ass with Terry Goodkind's homoriffic ponytail. Robert Jordan may have grown bloated in his later years, but the lint from under his ballsack has more writing talent than Goodkind. If anyone even thinks of watching this show, they should be shorn and left to rot in shame.
Itchy by 2LeggedFreak	Jun 17th, 2008 01:44:03 PM
What can I say other than you are 100% right. Picked up the first couple of books and thought it had been written by a simple-minded 12 year old until the singularly nasty rape and torture cut in. Shockingly Bad. Oh and I hope that somebody picking up George R R Martins series will encourage the begger to bloody finish this excellent series sometime soon.
Black Company by mtchptty	Jun 17th, 2008 01:54:39 PM
You want some good reading that should be a movie/ mini-series. Pick up the Black Company books by Glen Cook. anyone else read these?
Glen Cook by Andyb77	Jun 17th, 2008 02:14:14 PM
is great. I remember reading somewhere that Erikson of the Malazan series was a big fan.
Yup. Song of Ice and Fire. by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Jun 17th, 2008 03:54:53 PM
do it. do it.
Ugh by Blade_Runner	Jun 17th, 2008 04:52:38 PM
Nothing against Goodkind, but he is mediocre at best as a writer. I smell disaster all over this project.
It's cheaper to produce by WerePlatypus	Jun 17th, 2008 05:11:17 PM
You can shoot it for a Xena budget. That's the only reason I can see Rami touching this one. Pretentious and infantile at the same time . . . like trying to write a thousand page philosophical treatise about the merits of a $3 pony ride.
Only HBO can save us by WerePlatypus	Jun 17th, 2008 05:12:00 PM
By producing Ice and Fire.
Song of Ice and Fire by MJAYACE	Jun 17th, 2008 05:20:52 PM
While I loved the books, it has to be the most talky and intricate fantasy out there. Too difficult for a TV series (and you know HBO will bag it long before its finished). Plus, at the pace Martin writes, he will likely die before its finished. Sadly, it happened to Jordan and he was far younger and looked healthier then Martin. If you check out Martin's blog, he is always complaining about how sick he is, this flu, that flu... He seems to like the geek conventions more than writing as well as he is always traveling.I don't have a lot of faith it will be done. At least Goodkind kept his ass in shape and finished his books. I thought the series drug on a bit, but it definitely wasn't as bad as some of you make it seem. You just didn't like his objectivist rants. So he sleeps with Ayn Rand (in his dreams)? I liked the story overall... I wish the TV series wasn't sounding like Hercules and Zena though--the source material is much harder than that.
A Song of Ice and Fire series... by Mr Willi	Jun 17th, 2008 05:55:08 PM
... is a bad idea. Just really wouldn't work. Not enough fantasy elements to satisfy mainstream audiences, and the series is starting to get ponderous. As much as I like Martin, I'm getting put off by 900-page novels that only advance the overall plot by a hair. The guy needs to really get to the point. And yes, I too think Martin will die before he completes the series. He ain't getting any younger.
I hate this book soo much by lordrust	Jun 17th, 2008 05:57:09 PM
wasted a week of my life
And judging by the lack of posts on this topic... by Mr Willi	Jun 17th, 2008 05:58:16 PM
... no one really cares about this series being made, which tells you something.
The only part of Wizard's First Rule I liked by 'Cholera's Ghost	Jun 17th, 2008 07:05:41 PM
Was the grittier take on some of the magic, and Richard's transformation into a magic usin' mofo with balls after his ordeal in captivity. By the way, are they going to keep the ten chapters of hardcore sadomasochism?
re: Black Company by 'Cholera's Ghost	Jun 17th, 2008 07:07:28 PM
Read the first book. It was kind of awesome. I liked how it was divided into sections devoted to their taking out one good guy hero at a time.
So....she gonna get raped every episoide... by SG7	Jun 17th, 2008 09:15:38 PM
...you know...to stay in sync with the books? The material is "MEH" indeed. Not to spoil it or anything but...LUKE, I AM YOUR FATHER. Ahem.
Arg... by SG7	Jun 17th, 2008 09:20:25 PM
Song of Ice and Fire. Not Fire and Ice. Fire and Ice was a cheesy rotscoped 80s animated flick. I disagree on Song of Ice and Fire. I think it's quite good for the most part. It's nice to see a medival setting that's not all fucking unicorns and puppys dogs with happy peasants and altruistic lords and other BS like that. It sucked to be a pesant and those books got it right. And for folks who think the author is a hack, should read his collected shorts in "Dreamsongs" which are pretty enlightneing. He does bettter hard SF than fantasy.
One more thing... by SG7	Jun 17th, 2008 09:24:59 PM
...I agree that Martin is probably gonna keel over before he finishes. He's a huge nerd literally and figurativly. He's a total CON geek and still hits many of them. He's a great guy, and a talented writer and hard wokring when he stays on-mission, but he's never goona finish if he doesn't buckle down and deliver before a pizza induced fatality takes him down.
cant we get an Elric movie or good version of Nine Princes in Am by Groothewarrior	Jun 17th, 2008 09:33:23 PM
other good fantasy material would be Le Morte D'Arthur, Raymond E. Feists Krondor novels and John Normans Gor series IMO
SG7 by MJAYACE	Jun 18th, 2008 08:40:44 AM
"Pizza induced fatality"... Love it. I concur that Martin's a fantastic writer,one of the best, but you and I are on the same page. He needs to just buckle down and get it done. Sometimes I wonder though if all the procrasitnating is due to he just doesn't know where he wants to take the thing.... Writers block perhaps?
Another Wizards First Rule TalkBack? by Nice Marmot	Jun 18th, 2008 08:41:33 AM
OK, mention of Song of Ice & Fire? Yep, Check. Mention of rape? Uhhh, yes. Check. Mention of Hercules & Xena-like production value. Check. So this talkback is as boring and useless as the last one.
Are they going to keep the chicken? by Werthead	Jun 18th, 2008 09:23:30 AM
HBO and the BBC just agreed to team up to do Song of Ice and Fire. It's not officially greenlit yet, but it seems to be getting closer. As for the health angle, Goodkind had major heart surgery whilst working on his books, so his health certainly wasn't fantastic (he has since recovered fully though). And Robert Jordan was the same age as GRRM, not 'much younger'. I loathed the books but I'll watch the TV series if the Evil Chicken is in it. That shit is solid comedy gold. "In that instance Kahlan knew that the chicken wasn't just a chicken, it was evil incarnate."
Werthead by password.swordfish	Jun 18th, 2008 11:31:17 AM
I've never read these books (fantasy fan, but didn't run into these), so please tell me that chicken line was actually in the book. That's the best/worst thing I've ever read.
swordfish by 2LeggedFreak	Jun 18th, 2008 04:32:50 PM
Can't say that its absolutely true because I gave up on these books long ago but the evil chicken does seem to have become a legend in its own lifetime. Heres some more http://news.ansible.co.uk/a233 supp.html
Nice Marmot... by Mr Willi	Jun 18th, 2008 06:04:15 PM
Thanks for contributing to our boring and useless thread.
These books are amazing. by lucky slevin	Jun 18th, 2008 07:32:02 PM
These books are really incredible. they have Sisters of Light and Dark, Zedd Wizard of the First Order, the Seeker and the Sword of Truth, Darken Rahl, Jagang the Dreamwalker, Drefan, the Mud People , Shota the Witch Woman, Quads, Conjured Spells, Nathan the Prophet, Nicci aka Death's Mistress, Oba, Nicholas the Slide, Brother Narev.. the events in this book are fueled by acts of Mass murder, conquest, rape and banishment. this has the potential to be absolutely breathtaking.
ELRIC ELRIC ELRIC by Player 1	Jun 18th, 2008 09:08:47 PM
Let's have someone do Moorcock's antihero Elric - a drug addicted albino with emo tendencies, and a sword that drinks blood. I'm there already. Instead we get crap like this...
Death of GRRM by WerePlatypus	Jun 18th, 2008 11:18:06 PM
I am not worried about the finish of this series. He had said countless times that this last book was an incredible bear to write. Considering that the middle act of any story is where one gets bogged down, he should start to pick up the pace and begin resolving his plots. Act III is usually a rollercoaster ride to write, and these are by far his biggest moneymaker. I expect the last two books to come out in 2011 and 2012. That gives him four more years. . . he can totally make it!
Having read the entire series by Silverhour	Jun 19th, 2008 11:42:39 AM
I am, for the most part, a fan of Goodkind's work. There is a lot, and I mean A LOT of filler, whole books of it in fact, but there was enough to keep my interest. Since the TV series is going to be based on the first book alone, there isn't a lot of the rape and torture you see in the later books when the Imperial Order show up. I am interest in seeing how they handle Richard's capture and torture at the hands of Denna, the Mord Sith, and when Nass is forced to cut his own ballsack off and eat it. Somehow I don't think those scenes will appear in Raimi's version. Oh, and the Chicken that is Not a Chicken doesn't show up until book 5, I believe, so it won't be in WFR.
On that note by Silverhour	Jun 19th, 2008 11:45:24 AM
I would rather see Steven Brust's Vlad Taltos series on TV than Wizard's First Rule. It could probably be done for the same money and needs a lot less trimming.
mtchptty by Itchy	Jun 20th, 2008 09:54:50 PM
I read all the Black Company books years ago, and reread them last year. They are very, very good ... but I was a little disappointed with them on reread. Why ? Because I had read Erickson's Malazan series in the interim. He admits he was influenced by Cook, and there are shades of Cook all over his work, but Erickson's series is like Black Company times 1000. It seriously might be the best thing I've ever read. And unlike Martin, Erickson seems to have no problems churning out 1000 fabulous pages per year. It was an absolute bear to make it through the first half of the first book in the series (since it is so fabulously complex), but once you get into it, it just flies by.
Malazan redux by Itchy	Jun 20th, 2008 09:55:42 PM
In case none of you gathered, I really dig this series. Next book is out in a couple weeks via Amazon.co.uk (US version a few months later ... but I just can't wait, so I bite the bullet and order from the limeys overseas)

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