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The Stolen Earth!! The U.K. Seems Generally Pleased With Russell T. Davies’ Almost-Last Regular Episode of DOC WHO!!

First! by Desmondo	Jun 28th, 2008 03:23:52 PM
Great ep.
awesome by Celtican	Jun 28th, 2008 03:25:40 PM
one of the best episodes of the show. Oh and why do first posters always take such delight in looking like children?
I vote donna for time lord. by notspock2	Jun 28th, 2008 03:30:05 PM
That shot with her and her heartbeat... and SOMETHING IS UP WITH THE CLONE HAND. gotta go out, but will be back to speculate wildly later.
I have no idea why. by Desmondo	Jun 28th, 2008 03:31:59 PM
But for some reason it seems wrong to post anything else.
Ah ha!! by EyeofPolyphemus	Jun 28th, 2008 03:33:13 PM
A member of the Shadow Proclamation tells Donna there is still something on her back. those of you who blasted me for saying Lucius the Soothsayer was referring to the beetle back in "The Fires of Pompeii" can officially kiss my ass.
Oh and that cliffhanger... by Desmondo	Jun 28th, 2008 03:33:43 PM
Will be lame cop out, resolved in the first few minutes, all actors still intact.
who is the doctor now? by lamontshadow2010	Jun 28th, 2008 03:35:30 PM
looked great, but paced too fast in one part. i wish it was part of a torchwood episode because then the doctor could have said "oh fuck" instead of his usual "what?" and i agree with Desmondo, lame copout is coming!
Why cant people write reviews without giving the sodding game aw by DrX	Jun 28th, 2008 03:36:02 PM
I thought it was gripping edge of the seat stuff with a squeaky bum finish. I was in tears when Sarah Jane Smith hugged her son in tears. Congratulations to Russell T Davis , who Who fans should get down on their knees for (pun intended) and thank for bringing back a British institution. OK so not every episode has been perfect but what is? For my money (as a license payer) I think its been brilliant. I can't wait for next weeks episode. I cant believe such a great surprise has been kept out of the press (which does make me wonder...). If I ever meet RTD I for one will gladly shake his hand and buy him a pint - and that goes for the cast and team who have worked bloody hard to produce such a great episode and series.
by KayakCal	Jun 28th, 2008 03:39:29 PM
than was incredible
Edit by KayakCal	Jun 28th, 2008 03:40:14 PM
That was incredible, awesome soundtrack too, gave the scenes real energy
Anyone catch 'Dr. Who Confidential' straight after? by BiggusDickus	Jun 28th, 2008 03:40:20 PM
...featuring an interview with Sylvester McCoy, apparently in costume again? Anything in this do we think? What was it that Dalek Caan said about the 'threefold man'? Could we be looking at a multiple-Doctor finale? Awesome!
Third by football	Jun 28th, 2008 03:44:07 PM
It was a brilliant episode. And the cliffhanger was totally left field. Easily the best of this series. Can't wait for the big one. I give this 10 out of 10 for sheer pace and energy.
Awesome by blakeyboy86	Jun 28th, 2008 03:44:10 PM
To all the people out there that said RTD couldnt write Who...cmon what do you say after that. Sure he threw everything and the kitchen sink at it but wow...that ending was just awesome, the whole family sat there and no one spoke for 5 mins a recored for this household. I for one cannot wait to see next weeks episode and Russell we love you for bringing the greatest timelord back to our screens and giving us a reason to huddle around the TV.
"Most faithful companion"? by Cradge	Jun 28th, 2008 03:44:54 PM
One companion missing so far in this episode: K-9. Yeah, yeah. Crazy theory...
Well Biggus, if that's true..... by Big_Bubbaloola	Jun 28th, 2008 03:45:27 PM
i'm going with McCoy and Davison, they seem to be the only ex doctors that have a close relationship with the production still.
sweet baby moses!! by Cedar_Room	Jun 28th, 2008 03:49:32 PM
utterly fantastic episode! the Daleks and Davros just oozed menace. The best they have ever been in new Who. Utterly creepy and genuinely scary - we have had the Earth in peril several times but this time felt genuinely threatening. And then - SPOILER - the Doctor starts to regenerate in what has surely been the best kept secret in TV! Can this really be happening?? I love Tennant as the 10th Doctor, he has been fantastic! Furthermore - I thought the whole reason for having no full series next year was to allow Tennant to do other things thus keeping him in Who! Has this all been a huge red herring?? What a cliffhanger! Is this the end for Tennant? Who will be the new Doctor?? Next Saturday can't come fast enough.
So this would be the 11th Doctor? by DerLanghaarige	Jun 28th, 2008 03:50:39 PM
If they keep this tempo, they better start thinking about a good explaination why the doctor can regenerate more than 12 times (or was it 13? I always forget this).
Or McGann... by palimpsest	Jun 28th, 2008 03:51:02 PM
...who still does Big Finish audio WHO productions...
And blimey that was a good ep by palimpsest	Jun 28th, 2008 03:52:33 PM
RTD haters will despise it, fellow travellers and ordnary citizends who don't have an axe to grind but merely enjoy ridiculously entertaining rock n roll scifi bollocks on the telly will love the heck out of it
The one second shift by meldy	Jun 28th, 2008 03:55:46 PM
I really hope that isn't the cop-out that means everything can be returned to normal. Let's be honest though, Sarh Jane, Gwen and Ianto are definite goners otherwise.
Another theory... by BiggusDickus	Jun 28th, 2008 03:56:20 PM
If there still is 'something on Donna's back' as the nice lady with the red eyes said, could we be in for an 'it-was-all-a-dream' Bobby Ewing style ending? Real cheap shot if RTD goes down this route, methinks...
Roses' ability to jump across universes with her big gun by O_Goncho	Jun 28th, 2008 03:58:39 PM
Will surely be tied into however next week's 'cliffhanger' is resolved, assuming 'it' is a big red herring... which I'm still in two minds about. What is the general consensus? Do we reckon 'it' will happen or will 'it' be a total cop out that's resolved right away?
Donna's memory loss by Finklestone	Jun 28th, 2008 04:01:28 PM
Shame we can't all get our memories erased like Donna so we could forget Catherine Tate's 'acting'.
wow...and only one more week of these dumb reviews. by earlfist	Jun 28th, 2008 04:07:06 PM
RTD I take most of it back. You may be the greatest showman of all time. The Stolen earth (not sky notice you dumb ape) was a steaming pile of nonsense, that was as big a cliched piece of crap as any hack has concocted since the mid 60s heyday of Adam Wests Batman. It was also bloody marvelous and has left me spinning like i've just had my seventh scotch. I will admit that there is nothing that will stop me tuning in next week short of death or sex with nigella lawson.(and she'd better throw in a pie also otherwise it's still touch and go) there is lots to criticize if you think about this but thats not the point. It's how i feel and and all i realise is a week is too long to wait. Adios Mr RTD. You are a bloody genius.
er...wow by Whitemouse	Jun 28th, 2008 04:11:13 PM
I kinda expected a lot of what happened...the cameos, the medusa cascade, Davros, but...the ending...wow...if the "cop out" on it though (as certain people were seen filming the christmas special so all may not be as it seems)
AWESOME by Lloydywho	Jun 28th, 2008 04:12:40 PM
That was amazing. Seriously just brilliant. That was perfect! Wow I need to lie down after that awesome fantastic brilliant Doctor Who-ness!
I was going to write a spoiler-free remark here... by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 04:14:27 PM
I was going to write a spoiler-free remark here for all you American viewers to tell you how fucking cool this episode was tonight. But I logged in to this page and noticed that some FUCKHEAD above has already dropped the bomb for you on the surprise ending. You arsemunching knobend.
Donna at the Shadow proclamation by themightycooker	Jun 28th, 2008 04:16:28 PM
I believe the woman from the Shadow proclamation said to Donna "there was something on your back". But what about when Donna was sat alone on the stairs, was that a heartbeat or was it - can't you hear them - the drums?
Ray Gamma by dj_bollocks	Jun 28th, 2008 04:18:09 PM
Technically that shoudl be 4 arsemunching knobheads.... But thanks for coming !
ps..anyone who thinks Tennant is leaving is a fool. by earlfist	Jun 28th, 2008 04:18:40 PM
remember.. The masters ring.the close up of the hand in the jar. Donnas still got something on her back.and the fact that Tennant has already filmed a christmas special. If he does change well my money is on molly ringwald.
My God by The Handsome 12th Doctor	Jun 28th, 2008 04:19:12 PM
I was concerned that maybe one reviewer would blurt out about that ending. I'm literally stunned that 5 of them did.
Spoiling by O_Goncho	Jun 28th, 2008 04:21:05 PM
Of course spoilt that ending. This is the internet.
Did I watch the same episode? by Antifanboy	Jun 28th, 2008 04:24:21 PM
Okay, I have been defending Doctor Who against RTD haters and Taters for four years... but this was borderline dreadful. It was like the very last episode of The X-Files. Every character who has appeared in the series is brought back, has their two lines of dialogue, then is shuffled off set again. It was so rushed, with no development at all. Nobody was on screen long enough to act, or even react (Doctor/Rose especially). Large sections seemed copied and pasted from previous episodes: Dalek ships flying through space (season 1 finale), Daleks flying around everywhere (season 2 finale), that black American newswoman (every RTD episode), the general saying "Ladies and gentlemen, we are at war" (season 3 finale, or was it the Sontaran episode a few weeks back? Or both?). The idea of all these worlds being moved across space was great. The Shadow Proclamation was also classy. After that things fell apart. It was all so superficial, everything just thrown at the screen without anything behind it. Davros didn't so much as arrive on screen, as the camera just noticed he was on set. This was not a great return. There was no real explanation of who he is, apart from some throwaway line where he says "I am the Lord and Creator of the Daleks". Where was the Davros from Genesis of the Daleks who has philosophical debates with the Doctor? This was the one dimensional cackling baddie from the Sylvester McCoy years. And then that ending, and we all know Tennant is back for the specials... which suggests RTD is going to reuse the unforgivable Star Trek: Voyager-style ending he used last year, with everything just being undone by a magic deus ex machina plot device. Such as Donna sacrificing herself to rewind time and put everything back. I have absolutely zero expectations for next week, but then, these finale two-parters do tend to pick up in their second halves, so maybe...
Shocked how abysmal the script was. by rosasaks	Jun 28th, 2008 04:27:14 PM
The dialogue especially. And I loved Midnight. Felt really thrown together, like fan fiction. Too much exposition and moving ancillary characters around like a child playing with action figures. Worst episode since Daleks In Manhattan in terms of cringeworthy clumsiness of construction? And the special effects were shit. But it did have a few strong ideas that I hope it won't squander next week.
The Master's 2 parter didn't pick up in the 2nd half by O_Goncho	Jun 28th, 2008 04:29:33 PM
It was a catastrophic, illogical, outrageous mess. I just hope next week RTD doesn't drop the ball yet again. I thought I'd lost hope, but Midnight has given me cause to bite my knuckles and pray one more time. Sadly it does all seem like there's going to be a big cop out regarding the 'incident'.
"The Threefold Man is coming"... by Octavian	Jun 28th, 2008 04:30:10 PM
...warns Dalek Khan... Threefold Man? McCoy in costume, Davidson on Doctor Who Confidential? Ahhhh...
"RTD haters will despise it" by palimpsest	Jun 28th, 2008 04:30:56 PM
And, lo, it came to pass...
In retrospect.... by dj_bollocks	Jun 28th, 2008 04:32:27 PM
The only deus ex machina way i can see them being able to resolve this is involving the Time Lords.... a bit like the end of the Troughton era...
lets get it straight by THE child of our times	Jun 28th, 2008 04:32:31 PM
Tennant will regenirate we will get through the next episode to find out that this is all part of some messed up parallel universe.Donna, who still has the bug on her back, will save the day and set everything right. If this is the case I will be pissed cause its the same shit RTD pulled last season with the paradox machine BS.
I'm generally an RTD hater and I didn't despise it by O_Goncho	Jun 28th, 2008 04:32:54 PM
It could have been A LOT worse than it was, although I do agree with pretty much everything antifanboy said... Also, has there been any confirmed reason my darling Billie is now a horse faced bint? Where's the beautiful Rose Tyler I remember?
RTD haters by Antifanboy	Jun 28th, 2008 04:33:07 PM
Actually, if you look back at all the other Doctor Who talkbacks from the previous three seasons, I have been DEFENDING him the entire time. I don't have anything against the man, but I think he overstretched himself this time, and couldn't pull it off.
oh my holy god... by Deak the Geek	Jun 28th, 2008 04:33:56 PM
that was AMAZING!!! RTD i could kiss you, if i was that way inclined, that was one of the best who episodes ever, i was gob smacked for ten minutes after that ending. regarding the three-fold man...could the doctor regenerate into three doctors?!?!! could donna really be the rani? did she hear the drums also? oh please x1000 don't let there be a 'reset' ending next week...and to all who didn't like this episode....what the hell do you people what?? Dr Who is the greatest
The Two Doctors by Finklestone	Jun 28th, 2008 04:34:14 PM
So let me get this straight. The regeneration goes wrong and the Doctor's hand is cloned into a second 10th Doctor. This clone goes and lives happily ever after with Rose in the alternative universe. Sounds like arse.
We knew Tennant was leaving. But that was unexpected. by V'Shael	Jun 28th, 2008 04:36:01 PM
My prediction: Next week we'll see either Paul McGann, or Sylvester McCoy or BOTH. :)
Billie Piper's teeth... by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 04:37:33 PM
What was up with her teeth? I mean, seriously, did anyone else notice how Billie Piper seemed to be having trouble just SPEAKING?
Ray Gamma: watch DIARY OF A CALL GIRL by palimpsest	Jun 28th, 2008 04:40:32 PM
and you'll see why her teeth have been splayed. In that series she smoked more poles than the third reich ever did...
We knew Tennant was leaving? by O_Goncho	Jun 28th, 2008 04:41:14 PM
Nobody told me! I was assuming he'd endure through next year with RTD and then we'd have a shiny new Timelord for Mr. Moffat's run. I'm also still sort of hoping...
Deak the Geek by Antifanboy	Jun 28th, 2008 04:41:28 PM
You asked what do people want - what I wanted was LESS, rather than more. I wanted the Doctor and Davros to face off, have some sort of interaction. I didn't want them to webcam. That's how Remembrance of the Daleks ended. And I didn't want the Doctor's reaction to Davros simply to be a few tears. He didn't even say anything, and was back to running around, coat flapping, as chipper as ever in the next scene. If they'd stripped the script of the superfluous characters (the Torchwood people, maybe even Sarah Jane) then they could have focused on the true disastrous scale of Davros having survived the Time War. Instead, you get no sense of that, just a load of CGI, which is like a nudge to say "Hey, the Daleks are BAD, get it?" I didn't FEEL it.
re: palimpsest by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 04:43:39 PM
lol
Well I have to congratulate the beeb by emeraldboy	Jun 28th, 2008 04:46:33 PM
for once for keep thier traps shut regarding the ending. Wow. great ep by the way. My guess is we will find out next week who replaces Tennant and 24 hrs before next sat. you have my word on that.
but seriously folks... THE TEETH!!! by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 04:47:45 PM
I seem to remember Billie being really kinda hot in the series, and I wanted them to get her back into the show to re-unite her with the Doctor. But somehow, when she re-appeared in this episode, I was totally distracted by her weird changed teeth. It was as though she was wearing prosthetic teeth, like, it was so obvious I actually wondered at one point if it was a deliberate make-up trick to make you wonder if this was the 'real' Rose Tyler or some alien imposter. I'm not kidding. She didn't even speak the same. It was really distracting. The teeth! I mean, come on, did anyone else notice THE TEETH? Fuck Davros, it was all about those weird TEETH. I was hiding behind the couch.
Regarding her teef... by O_Goncho	Jun 28th, 2008 04:49:55 PM
"Apparently she had some veneers applied to her upper front teeth and isn't used to them yet, hence the lisp. Lisping for a few months after having heavy veneers is a common occurence." :(
Teeth by Octavian	Jun 28th, 2008 04:50:17 PM
She's lost a lot of weight. If you compare the flashback of her in the first series and the current her face was much rounder. She must have lost at least a stone.
Regeneration by Antifanboy	Jun 28th, 2008 04:51:10 PM
Come on, people, the Doctor's not really going to regenerate. 1. Tennant has been seen filming the Christmas special with Billie Piper and Cybermen. 2. Even if he did, that'd put him out of action for the rest of the episode.
O_Goncho... by BiggusDickus	Jun 28th, 2008 04:51:51 PM
'Beautiful' Rose Tyler? Come on, man! Billie Piper has ALWAYS looked like Bingo from The Banana Splits. Except with bigger teeth.
You know.... by emeraldboy	Jun 28th, 2008 04:53:08 PM
When A dr dies he regenerates. But I have a feeling that tennant aint going anywhere. so, the dr will still be tennant but he will have a new identity. and new name.
Delete the spaces by dj_bollocks	Jun 28th, 2008 04:54:18 PM
http://news.scotsman.com/scotl and/Doctor-Who-star-set-to.422 5079.jp
McCoy and Davidson would be great. by football	Jun 28th, 2008 04:54:51 PM
Nice thought, Big_Bubbaloola. The 'threefold man' is surely a clue to something big. Three Doctors taking on the Daleks again would be sublime. Hopefully RTD doesn't waste everything he's built in this one to just throw it all away next week. But WOW... what a fuckin brilliant episode!!
But she WAS hot... by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 04:55:08 PM
And now not... I don't get it. This American-exported trend of replacing your perfectly lovely characterful teeth with those horrible huge white plastic joke-shop teeth. I'm quite haapy with my British dangly brown teeth, thank you very much.
Nothing felt earned. by rosasaks	Jun 28th, 2008 04:55:13 PM
It just felt like a precession of being told this is happening and now this is happening and now this. But for no particular reason. And really really quickly. My guess is this one hit the spot for the kids and the fans of the franchise, but it will have left those who were drawn into the new era by stand alone story telling episodes rather cold. This is the sort of thing that got the old series cancelled. It's not going to win any converts to the mythology, although again I stress there were some very strong ideas in evidence, they were just astonishingly badly executed. Hopefully the pieces will fit together into something more substantial next time. This just felt like pure set up for however they're going to address the cliff hanger - which was shocking, but just came too far out of left field to actually mean anything. Why has Rose come back? Why was the Doctor separated for the run time of the episode? The final scene doesn't work because the only answer to these sorts of question is just because that's what they needed to do in order to tread water until it's time for the cliff hanger. This was straight out of the Lost play book of how to fill time for no reason, without the production values. The amount of pointless techno drivel was mind numbing. I liked the Shadow Proclamation, Caan and Davros and the Red Dalek, the Doctor and Donna, the idea of the planets having been moved. But how much screen time did any of that get? And how did any of it feed into the cliff hanger? In, you know, a story? Just one plot contrivance after another. It's just shoddy writing.
Oh, and the Bad Wolf stuff from last week? by rosasaks	Jun 28th, 2008 04:57:32 PM
I guess they must have all had amnesia at the script meeting or something. It was random as hell anyway.
Daleks and Sarah Jane by Plinglebob	Jun 28th, 2008 04:57:55 PM
I'm getting a bit bored of the Daleks now. They've been overused and are not a threat anymore. The best parts of this episode were the 2 reactions by Sarah Jane, firstly to the Daleks and then to Davros. Makes sense considering she met both when they were still scary.
Rosasaks by Antifanboy	Jun 28th, 2008 04:59:00 PM
Completely agree there. Especially about the fanboys saying stuff like "10/10" or "Best episode ever" or capitalising their feelings just to make sure we got it. It was all about ticking boxes, but none of the boxes actually had anything written beside them.
Next week's logline (spoiler?) by Hercules	Jun 28th, 2008 04:59:32 PM
“The entire universe is in danger as the Daleks activate their masterplan, in the concluding episode of Russell T Davies's Bafta Award-winning time-travelling drama. The Doctor is helpless, and even the Tardis faces destruction. The only hope lies with the Doctor's secret army of companions – but as they join forces to battle Davros himself, the prophecy declares that one of them will die. David Tennant plays the Doctor and Catherine Tate plays his companion, Donna Noble.“
Biggus by O_Goncho	Jun 28th, 2008 04:59:54 PM
You mean you DIDN'T think Bingo was hot? Oh god, what's wrong with me? '_' Back in the old series' it was all about her arse more than anything... but I just never remember her teeth being so...so... there.
I'm impressed the BBC kept it secret by The Handsome 12th Doctor	Jun 28th, 2008 05:01:16 PM
The tabloids and internet sites are continually trying to find stuff out about episodes before they're aired, so I'm impressed the BBC was able to keep that ending a secret. And if next week does feature multiple Doctors as some of you are suggesting then I'll be even more impressed by the BBC's security.
Actually, by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 05:01:21 PM
the FIRST sarah-jane reaction to the daleks was pretty over-the-top and felt a bit out of place, badly directed i think. but Billie's TEETH however, what the fuck.
Well shit, Herc by O_Goncho	Jun 28th, 2008 05:02:41 PM
That muddies things somewhat.
basically this is how i see it: by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 05:15:19 PM
All the hints have been dropping like large clangy hinty things: Donna Noble is going to sacrifice her life to save the entire universe. They've been hinting all along that this supposedly 'ordinary' british woman is going to turn out to be the most important human of all time etc. So it's clear to see that, somehow, the beetle thing is still there on her back and has used her to cross some sort of alternate universe into 'our' universe to make everything turn a dark shade of shit sandwich. So this is what we've seen unfolding in this episode; A sort of 'end of everything'. But it's not real, it's dependent on Donna being alive for the beetle to work its Universe-bending magic. So basically she is going to sacrifice herself, David Tennant continues to get a salary for another year, Billie Piper's character doesn't really get to re-unite with The Doctor, as she is sent back to her purgatory in another dimension. Donna dies, Davros is cast away into space, angrily promising to return in 2011 when Jennifer Saunders plays the Doctor. And at the end of the 2011 season, the Doctor's final season nemesis will be Billie Piper's new distracting teeth, which will munch their way through some enormous space jelly babies.
basically this is how i see it: by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 05:16:53 PM
All the hints have been dropping like large clangy hinty things: Donna Noble is going to sacrifice her life to save the entire universe. They've been hinting all along that this supposedly 'ordinary' british woman is going to turn out to be the most important human of all time etc. So it's clear to see that, somehow, the beetle thing is still there on her back and has used her to cross some sort of alternate universe into 'our' universe to make everything turn a dark shade of shit sandwich. So this is what we've seen unfolding in this episode; A sort of 'end of everything'. But it's not real, it's dependent on Donna being alive for the beetle to work its Universe-bending magic. So basically she is going to sacrifice herself, David Tennant continues to get a salary for another year, Billie Piper's character doesn't really get to re-unite with The Doctor, as she is sent back to her purgatory in another dimension. Donna dies, Davros is cast away into space, angrily promising to return in 2011 when Jennifer Saunders plays the Doctor. And at the end of the 2011 season, the Doctor's final season nemesis will be Billie Piper's new distracting teeth, which will munch their way through some enormous space jelly babies.
sorry about the double post by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 05:17:35 PM
AICN seems to be staggering
HOLY FUCKING SHIT by photoboy	Jun 28th, 2008 05:17:45 PM
I'd like to give RTD a big sloppy wet kiss right now and I'm not even gay! That episode was fantastic, everything was perfect, right down to Davros' revolting, decaying body. I've got no idea what's happening next week, but I can't believe they'd manage to keep a regeneration secret, there must be some sort of reset or trick coming up!
Hey hello Herc by The Handsome 12th Doctor	Jun 28th, 2008 05:20:02 PM
This is the first time I've seen you contribute to a Who talkback. Welcome in.
Herc, next weeks is not Davies' last by jbonkowski	Jun 28th, 2008 05:22:20 PM
They already filmed the Christmas special. That's his last one. jim
Ep 13 is 65 mins long by palimpsest	Jun 28th, 2008 05:23:05 PM
Confirmation on the BBC DOCTOR WHO site. That's an extra 20 minutes of a) scifi gloriousness b) hyperactive fanwankery c) teethy lispiness (delete as appilcable)
uh by palewook	Jun 28th, 2008 05:24:07 PM
damn, going to be a long week waiting for the next episode. Nicely played RTD, you have all the fans sitting on the edge of their chairs...
Davros = Dr. Weir + Freddy Krueger by lynxpro	Jun 28th, 2008 05:26:18 PM
Davros's eye sockets reminded me of Dr. Weir in Event Horizon after the evil ship restored him to life after having been sucked out of the ship. I am digging Davros's new Freddy Krueger glove though. His chest also looks a lot like the genetically engineered vamps of Blade 2, and I'm happy they ripped off the Dr. Smith reveal from the theatrical Lost in Space since that film ripped off one of the unproduced theatrical scripts to a proposed Doctor Who film which reimagined the Daleks as spider creatures.
RTD is in charge of all the 2009 specials by palimpsest	Jun 28th, 2008 05:26:38 PM
These's some confusion over how many there are (is it three specials in 2009 AND the 2008 Christmas episode, or four specials in 2009 plus Christmas 2008?) - Moffatt officially takes over for the 2010 run. That bing said, I'd fully expect an end of season cliffhanger next week that needs to be resolved in the 09 specials, with Moff having a clean slate (or at least a slate with only the bits of WHO on it he wants) for his first season.
Tennant is not leaving by jbonkowski	Jun 28th, 2008 05:27:19 PM
The BBC has confirmed he is in all of the specials airing next year (next year is not a regular season). It is their policy to not lie in official press releases. Besides, they already filmed the Christmas special with Tennant.
you've got to admit it was a great episode by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 05:28:05 PM
even the clunkiness of the 'shoehorned' elements didn't really take away from the fun of the last 30 minutes. It was exciting.
Threefold man? CONTAINS POSSIBLE SPOILERS by supertoyslast	Jun 28th, 2008 05:31:43 PM
Damn, but the "Threefold Man" sounds as if there will be 3 versions of the Doctor running about. I've already heard the rumour about the botched regeneration leading to two versions of Tennant's Doctor - but which would the third be? I'd love it to be McCoy since, growing up, he was my Doctor. But I can't believe that could possibly have been kept secret. I live in dread that next week's 65 minute episode will be a let-down full of cop-out solutions and a drawn-out pace caused by a hastily-scheduled extra week of filming. Especially after this week was brilliant precisely because it was unrelenting.
2009 specials/Tennant by supertoyslast	Jun 28th, 2008 05:38:54 PM
There is indeed confusion over precisely how many specials are in 2009. A previous press release referred to a 2008 Christmas special, "3 specials in 2009 starring David Tennant" and the next full series in 2010. A more recent press release referred to 4 specials in 2009. My hypothesis is that both press releases are, technically, correct. That is, "4 specials" includes the 2009 Christmas special. But Tennant will only be in the first 3 specials.
¨growing up¨, McCoy was your Doctor? by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 05:39:40 PM
what are you, like 12 years old or something?
McGann better be in a multi-Doc story... by lynxpro	Jun 28th, 2008 05:42:25 PM
If a botched regeneration brings back any former Doctors, it better be Paul McGann's 8th Doctor. He was criminally short-changed first when Fox didn't take the 1996 tv movie to full series and then again in 2005 when RTD cast commitphobe Christopher Eccleston into the role instead of McGann. McGann's 8th Doctor fought the Time War, so it should be his Doctor that returns. It certainly should not be McCoy's since his era is what caused the original series to get canceled, plus the 1996 tv movie production team was generous enough to have him reappear at the beginning of that. Bring in McGann.
commitmentphobe... by lynxpro	Jun 28th, 2008 05:43:59 PM
Cursed typos. And folks, it is Peter DAVISON and Christopher ECCLESTON...stop spelling their damn names incorrectly...it isn't hard to accomplish.
More crazy (spoilery) theorising by The Handsome 12th Doctor	Jun 28th, 2008 05:44:13 PM
All through this season we've been shown repeated close-ups of the Doctor's hand in the jar. Is there a reason behind this? When the Doc regenerated into Tennant he lost his hand soon after, but he had enough residual energy to grow a new one. Now what if, and I know this sounds mental, but what if the Doctor regenerates into someone completely new at the start of next week but some of that residual energy leaks across to the jar and 'grows' another David Tennant Doctor from his hand.
No, here's the real spoiler: by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 05:45:55 PM

oh that was interesting. by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 05:46:35 PM
my post got deleted...
Great TV by The_Skook	Jun 28th, 2008 05:53:22 PM
Ray Gamma, you could be on to something! However I thought that episode was fab! It was like being a kid again. I genuinely got a couple of shivers up my spine. Top telly! Must have been a bit like this with Quatermass in the fifties.
OMG Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! ! by davidaball	Jun 28th, 2008 05:53:43 PM
Anyone else feel like that at the end of the episode?? I have to say that I and a total RTD basher and have lambasted his episodes repeately, well maily because they're awful. Outstanding! Knock out job! Plot as normal makes no sense but to combine so many different cast and feel like they have all had a crack of the whip and to throw old Harriet in there as well. Perfect set up yes we've had Daleks invading before yes the Doctor giving up made no sense. yes the big circles in space reminded me of Space Pirates But OMG What is going on with the ending?? Have we all been lied to?? Is David Tennant a poker face liar of amazing proportions or are we going to witness and pretty lame reset button by way of the indigo device and Captain Jack's time watch thingy?? Please no reset please no reset plesseeee Oh and BTW I WAS SO F'ING RIGHT ABOUT THE BEES!!!!
nobody noticed by DrLektor	Jun 28th, 2008 05:55:05 PM
Donna's ring? eh? what if the hand that picked up the Master's ring at the end of last season was hers. think about it. she's as human as anyone but suddenly she's connected to the Doctor, he keeps running into her. She's surrounded by "something" a time energy that warps worlds around her. There's possibly still something on her back and now the heartbeat, the sound of drums or the sound of two hearts beginning to beat in her chest? There was a rumour flying that John Simm would indeed return as the Master, what if he comes back through donna?
the hand in the jar by Deak the Geek	Jun 28th, 2008 05:57:40 PM
seems to bubble when another time lord is near, as it did when the tardis brought them to jenny..could Donna be a kind of human/time lord hybrid? or the rani?
Four specials in 2009 by Wormie1	Jun 28th, 2008 05:58:28 PM
David Tennant said on Andrew Marr's show just the other week that there will now be four specials next year. He also said he hadn't been asked to do any further series, but I read in the tabs this week that the BBC are very keen to sign him for season 5. As for Billie's teeth - if she had a lisp due to having work done on them, couldn't they have done some looping later?
there was nothing wrong with her teeth before by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 06:01:25 PM
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masters ring by crazybrit	Jun 28th, 2008 06:01:45 PM
was it just me or did i really see the masters ring on donnas hand in the scene on the stairs when she brushed her hair back after hearing what i can only assume is drums i personally hope the doctor regenerates into river song but i dont see it happening as everyone knows tenants in the xmas special this year hope some past doctors appear though how cool would that be
Sunday BBC1 before 1 o'clock by Deak the Geek	Jun 28th, 2008 06:05:31 PM
there's a trailer for the season ender. that's U.K. only.
it won't mak any sense... by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 06:08:39 PM
hear me out: it won't make any sense for River Song to join the series in 2010 if David Tennant leaves before then. Because she made such a big eal about his appearance during that episode, about how young he looked etc. She never mentioned anything like ¨And how come you don't look like Patrick Troughton any more?¨ or something.
my keyboard is missing out letters by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 06:10:02 PM
in case you wondered why i'm going on about big eels and things
pretty darn good by jccalhoun	Jun 28th, 2008 06:12:02 PM
I got thrilled whenever Sarah Jane was onscreen. I thought the science babble was the only lame part. The end has to be a collossal tease though becausethey areoutside of normal space so I'm guessing there is going to be some technobabbly as to why nothing will end up changing the Doctor in the next episode. It is a great tease but I wold be very very surprised if there is any real pay off.
That was fun but how come nobodys mentioned... by metaluna	Jun 28th, 2008 06:13:09 PM
Alex Kingstons character from a few eps back? She seemed to know the Doctor rather well. I just hope that RTD doesn't use some made up gizmo bullshit to save the day but I fear he will what with that 'key' Martha has. Anyhow, it was a lot of fun even if I was sure that I saw a kitchen sink fly past with the daleks.
i'm glad they didn't try to babble me with science by Ray Gamma	Jun 28th, 2008 06:15:24 PM
i hate that. i prefer my science fiction to be science-free. they should also replace the frankly unbelievable Tardis with something more believable like a Renault Clio. Believe me, they really are bigger on the inside than they look.
snl epi one to be shown on nbc tonite by bacci40	Jun 28th, 2008 06:19:15 PM
this will be the first time in have watched an epi in close to 8 years
This is why there should be more two-parters by The Handsome 12th Doctor	Jun 28th, 2008 06:20:32 PM
It gives us fans a chance to do exactly this. To invent our own ideas about what's going to happen the following week. On the subject of our crazy theories, who was the talkbacker last week, or the week before, who was absolutely certain that Harriet Jones (former MP for FlyDalek North) would be the Red Dalek?
Donna, drums/heartbeat,thousand yard stare by EvilWizardGlick	Jun 28th, 2008 06:22:48 PM
Donna sitting on the stairs with the heartbeat/drum thousand yard stare reminded me of the Masters regeneration.
About That Regeneration... by Hellstrom	Jun 28th, 2008 06:22:50 PM
Let's just say double your pleasure double your fun. That bubbly hand was in the vicinity of a regeneration...and Tennant aint going anywhere...and this has been speculated for months.
The Handsome 12th Doctor, more arcs by EvilWizardGlick	Jun 28th, 2008 06:23:44 PM
I miss the six and eight parters from previous series. Longer arcs would be nice.
No wonder next week's over an hour. by Mickey The Idiot	Jun 28th, 2008 06:24:04 PM
They spent so much time farting around this week. First, let's bring all these extraneous characters in, so the big villain really does get relegated to the shadows. Second, let's start chucking mystery stuff in like the Osterhagen Key (didn't Rutger Hauer have one of those one weekend) and the Indigo Backpack (which would defo get you strange looks on London Underground). That wasn't drama, it was all fan-dance, in both senses of the phrase, and there's been far too much of that throughout this season. It's like Davies has been trying to out-Lost Lost in the cocktease stakes.
Ray Gamma, River Song never saw tennant by EvilWizardGlick	Jun 28th, 2008 06:26:18 PM
Doubtful she ever met Tennant. That was why she mentioned how young he looked. We know she leaves when the Doctor shows up with a new suit and haircut.
Billie's teeth haven't changed by photoboy	Jun 28th, 2008 06:26:53 PM
She was always a horsey looking bint. How come no-one noticed? Seriously, those buck teeth were huge in the very first episode she ever did. I'm amazed no-one noticed! She does look like she's had plastic surgery to the face though, her mouth looks wonky now and the skin around it looks funny. I reckon that's why she can't talk properly any more.
The Most Faithful Companion? Penis? by EvilWizardGlick	Jun 28th, 2008 06:27:13 PM
Well he did bag Rose and Martha.
I really enjoyed it. by Harrow	Jun 28th, 2008 06:29:57 PM
But I really don't enjoy these Dr Who talkacks. They're never any good, compared to the other TBs I follow here, I just don't feel engaged in this one, maybe it's cos it's mainly Brits, but I find the excitement I held post episode leaking out with every dull post I read. And now I've just added another!
Brown Doc, Blue doc by EvilWizardGlick	Jun 28th, 2008 06:30:12 PM
Red Dalek.
River Song by Deak the Geek	Jun 28th, 2008 06:30:20 PM
said that she knew the Doctor..but this wasn't her Doctor..so gotta be a future one..maybe..i don't know
Great, Great, Great! (SPOILERS) by manicart1	Jun 28th, 2008 06:32:48 PM
What an amazing episode... A couple of theories. I reckon the Master is the real big bad behind Davros and the Daleks! The Doctor mentions that somebody has moved Earth before, a long time ago. he could be referring to the Daleks in the Dalek Invasion of Earth...or he could mean the Time Lords in Trial of a Timelord! Harriet Jones seems to be very good at finding all the Doctor's companions and getting them to summon him don't you think? How did that happen? Oh sure, it's alien tech invented by the Mr Copper foundation, but how is it that she is able to develop it exactly? And wasn't that a familiar sound of drums playing as she hijacked the Dalek's signal? And then we didn't see her actually getb shot did we? And hey! Who's hand was that picking up the Master's ring in the 'ming the merciless' scene from the end of last year's finale? Curiouser and curiouser!
is Rose a high-class prostitute in this episode? by Boomers_Lips	Jun 28th, 2008 06:46:31 PM
is she?
Anyone who nitpicks this ep, is a KILLJOY. by AnnoyYou	Jun 28th, 2008 06:49:30 PM
Seriously, I'm still teary-eyed. That episode absolutely ruled, and I can't wait until the conclusion. "Why don't you ask her yourself?" INSTANT SOBS! Yeah, yeah, I know all about The Doctor's "intrinsic" inability to bond with anyone, but I defy anyone but the most self-righteous and/or hard-hearted fan not to be moved by the ensuing scene. RTD and crew have outdone themselves, and so far (unlike Whedon, Carter, Thomas and so many other stupid American showrunners) he hasn't disappointed me yet. I doubt he will, and I doubt Moffat will. This show is just terrific.
moving earth... by jccalhoun	Jun 28th, 2008 06:50:22 PM
There was that whole deal during Colin Baker's Trial of a Timelord where Earth was moved and called Ravalox.
why isnt The Doctor's "daughter" in this episode? by Boomers_Lips	Jun 28th, 2008 06:50:36 PM
yea her.
I think the regen is real... by Kelvington	Jun 28th, 2008 06:58:54 PM
I think it would be awesome if RTD and the Beeb fooled us all, by having a regeneration now. And seeding the papers with talk of contracts and a few flashes of DT in the xmas episode. Now we have seen shots of a wagon/trailer with the words "The Other Doctor" on it, could that be DT? I hope so, that would be very well done. I know I was gob-smacked when it happened. Of course in the confidential DT did say he had was on set with Davros, which he wasn't in tonight's episode, so I suspect it's a false regen.
People still watch Doctor Who? by Trazadone	Jun 28th, 2008 07:01:27 PM
I remember it being a crappy, low budget show in the 70s, I can't believe people still care about this.
three doctors... Eccleston? by TinSpider	Jun 28th, 2008 07:21:14 PM
In the confidential that followed there is a bit with everyone involved with the episode sat around a table doing a script read. When it goes to a wide shot of the table, on the far left next to the bloke that was in dempsey and makepiece is a fella that i swear looked like Eccleston. I could be wrong though.
people still comment on stuff by palewook	Jun 28th, 2008 07:22:12 PM
they don't know about? try watching a few episodes of the current series before you call it "crappy, low budget."
I doubt it was Eccleston by The Handsome 12th Doctor	Jun 28th, 2008 07:29:32 PM
He's been pretty adamant in the past that he wouldn't do any more Who. Which is a shame because he was, dare I say it, fantastic. Although if it was him, and RTD has somehow convinced him to come back for a Two Doctors story, then that'd be every flavour of mint.
He'll regenerate into Rik Mayall. by ZeroCorpse	Jun 28th, 2008 07:37:30 PM
No, really, I think it would be cool if he became McGann again, but then the show's history kind of denies "backpedaling" into an older regeneration's appearance. So who's he gonna be? Dammit, they shocked me with this one, but if they were gonna do it, this was the most emotionally perfect moment to do it. Kudos to RTD for a well-played hand. Kudos to David for not giving it away at any point, and lying so damn well.
@ Ray Gamma - with you on the Donna theory by Dont make me Ang Lee	Jun 28th, 2008 07:37:32 PM
This explains the previous mention of it in the pompei ep, plus how Dalek Khan and Rose can both teleport where they should be able to -as this is effectivly a pocket universe?!? The episode last week was it being brought to the viewers attention so it won't come totally out of leftfield next week. Also- yeah I'm on board with there being two Tennet docs - the regen energy somehow is transferred to the hand (which is kind of in statis from the first regeneration period right?)which causes the exact oppostion to happen from the scene in the christmas invasion: aka the hand regrows a new body. A complete stretch on my part that but it kind of explains it. I really liked this episode and it's a good payoff. The spinoff crossover seemed a little forced but it works out of sheer nostalgia for narrative cohersion. Would have been nice to see K9 again though. Finally, I'm glad Harriet Jones didn't end up being the red dalek as rumoured.
well now, by RaveX	Jun 28th, 2008 07:43:18 PM
that was fun. bring on the next week.
I smell a cop out .... by tricky dick	Jun 28th, 2008 07:54:55 PM
An enjoyable episode. Thanks RTD. Even though I think Tennant is a great Doctor, it'll be disappointing not to have a new Doctor next week (kinda like when Picard had his "Borg-ness" reversed when it was supposedly irreversible. A new Doctor - now THAT would be an impressive surprise and a worthy end to the season, given how each finale outdoes the previous seasons.
I'll start the voting with EDDIE IZZARD. by ZeroCorpse	Jun 28th, 2008 07:59:01 PM
Oh, come on! You know he'd be an entertaining Doctor, the likes of whom you haven't seen before.
Oh, and the Best Part: by ZeroCorpse	Jun 28th, 2008 08:03:51 PM
Dalek to Harriet: "Yes, we know who you are."
fake x-mass shoots!! by tricky dick	Jun 28th, 2008 08:05:05 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if those x-mas Cybermen shoots were staged as a deliberate attempt to through people off. Think about it: have the x-mas specials ever been shot so early? Usually those start in July, not April. It may well be that they shot scenes early to accommodate Tenants Shakespeare engagement, but I wonder ....
Doctor number 10 sucker punched by a dalek by davidaball	Jun 28th, 2008 08:07:02 PM

You think Rose's teeth are big... by Average J.	Jun 28th, 2008 08:09:07 PM
Well then Baba Booey to you. Cause he got some huge teeth.
Doctor 10 knocked out by a sucker punch by davidaball	Jun 28th, 2008 08:11:41 PM
Anyone else think that if is how D T does regenerate then its a pretty poor way to check out. And altenatively if next week opens with somekind of back track on the whole regeneration then it is going to be the biggest dissapointment ever and will not only spoil the final episode but would actually ruin the episode I just watched.
I prefer penultimate by wintocha67	Jun 28th, 2008 08:25:25 PM
"Almost last" confuses me, especially when the next sentence contains the words, "the last regular episode... until 2010".
Mickey by Poopoodio	Jun 28th, 2008 08:51:49 PM
Anyone else spot Mickey during the script reading for this that they showed on Dr Who Confidential? Will he turn up in the finale? Did they decide not to use him?
Donna dies... by Chriss	Jun 28th, 2008 08:59:32 PM
... there, I spoilt it. Somewhere else on the net, it's stated that the spider-creature from her original appearance had indeed laid eggs in her. They needed last weeks episode in part to remind us of that spider creature, and they have foreshadowed her death this week ("sorry for your loss"). I'd bet they bring in Alex Kingston next.
Rose/Doctor relationship... by Chriss	Jun 28th, 2008 09:03:02 PM
... what exactly was it? Obviously the doctor and donna is platonic, but was Rose a romantic or even sexual one? Or was their relationship rooted in her binding with the tardis? I've never felt this was fully explained.
Mickey Smith by ScotiaNova	Jun 28th, 2008 09:11:43 PM
Noel was featured in the promo images for the finale, so expect to see him next week. Especially (as rumour has it) that Mickey will be replacing Tosh in Torchwood.
Mr Copper Foundation by ScotiaNova	Jun 28th, 2008 09:16:14 PM
Anyone else catch the foundation that furnished Harriet Jones with her communication system? Mr Copper was the tour guide from the Titanic left to roam free on earth by the Doctor at the end of Voyage of the Damned.
Like a Kick To The Nuts... by chris danger	Jun 28th, 2008 09:40:32 PM
Holy Fucking Jumping Kangaroo Rats....That was one of the BEST Dr. Eps since the relaunch. A great way to end the RTD era. That is what QUALITY television is. Note to Harrys Hollywood Friends: This is what keeps people tuning in, not some tits up on delivery program stolen/based on a far superior foreign program. That being said, if we see Robert Carlyle, Rhys Infans or James Nesbitt in the role, i'll be greatly surprised.
Mickey replacing Tosh? by Alientoast	Jun 28th, 2008 09:44:35 PM
I dont think anyone can replace the fine, cleavagetasticness that was Tosh
Doctor Dan is a fool by Vision	Jun 28th, 2008 10:46:17 PM
“Doctor Dan” says: "the inter-dimensional Rose, who rather conveniently stumbles upon Donna's mother Sylvia and Gramps" She doesn't "stumble upon" them - she went looking for them. Do keep up.
Not Regenerating by EyeofPolyphemus	Jun 28th, 2008 11:50:26 PM
The Doctor did not disintegrate like others do when the Dalek shot him. Perhaps the Dalek hit him with something other than its usual eye beam. yes, i know jack did not disintegrate either back in "The Parting of the Ways," but those were a different set of Daleks than these. Davros must have some plan for the Doctor other than just killing him.
that was one hell of a cliffhanger by notspock2	Jun 29th, 2008 12:57:11 AM
And once again, 7 days seems incredibly long... I must say, that's one of the best old timey cliff hangers i think i have ever seen. If the doctor does that thing that he seems to be doing this point it will be a disinformation coup of governmental proportions... Since RTD is Throwing in the kitchen sink with this story, what hasn't happened? who haven't we seen? what's left in the cupboards? 1. The Timelords. If the time war is truly time locked, but dalek khan could get in.. (and become BSG's hybrid in the process) can the time lords get out? 2. K9. Sarah jane is in trouble.. could the disco robot dog show up to save her? just in the nick of time? 3. Mickey? Rose works for torchwood you say? Mickey fought cybermen, and it's the end of the word, and where is he? i bet he's on the way..with his own BFG 4. which incarnations of the doctor were in the time war? what is this THREEFOLD man that the hybrid (sorry, there i go again...) DALEK KHAN is going on about? we have seen Davison already in the last year- could there be another time crash? 5. The Master... seems a bit, well, of a weird one.. 6. The shadow proclamation, they are all ready to go to war, and then,NOTHING..hmmm...7.River Song is a Timelord is Donna Noble (my wildest speculation but i am sticking with it till next week embarasses me!) 8. Bad Wolf. There needs to be some kind of resolution to that story since they just opened that box again. As you can see, i actually have NO IDEA WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND THUS DECLARE THIS GREATEST CLIFFHANGER OF ALL TIME. (it's going to be a bloody reset button isn't it.)
i am looking forward to the reset button. by notspock2	Jun 29th, 2008 01:17:34 AM
because it's such a nice original neat and tidy way to solve these things.. having said that, this period of time, is the same period of time that the Master was messing up the planet in.. It seems The future is pretty much buggered however you reset it. in fact.. shouldn't earth have vanished then? just the the toclafane were wiping out the last vestiges of humanity, the planet moves half way across the universe? Damn, I pulled a thread.. the whole thing is unravelling...
holy fucking shit by Horror Freak	Jun 29th, 2008 01:27:03 AM
i dug the hell out of this episode... bringing everyone together and then the doctor regenerating... like holy fuck... i still look forward to the steve moffat days to come... but what a fucking way to go out for davies....
Going out with a bang. by Kurutteru Yatsu	Jun 29th, 2008 01:31:11 AM
Great episode. There were a couple of flaws-- the CGI is still a bit cartoony, though I'm willing to overlook it considering the budget and the fact that Who gets part of its charm from looking a bit goofy. I also agree with the reviewer who complained about the talk show clip thrown in for no reason. There's no way anything would be on except the news (I can give Dawkins a pass as he was obviously serving as a pundit) or whatever the Brit version of the EBS is. (And why is Ianto standing there braying like a donkey while watching? He's more intelligent than that.) All this aside it was damn fun. After last season's unfortunate misstep the Daleks are back on form. Rose getting cut out of the companion conversation and obviously being frustrated, and especially her reaction to seeing Martha, was handled very well. The comedy lines-- "Wanna swap?" "YES WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE"-- were slick. And the ending...oh lawd. I almost wish I hadn't already read some of the spoilers for next week, I might've enjoyed still being in shock. Either way I need a TARDIS to skip ahead seven days now. Until then, random thoughts: I always talk about how hot Naoko Mori was on Torchwood but damn, Eve Myles tonight...sweet Jesus. I think I'm finally willing to set aside the gap in her front teeth and focus on the two large Welsh rabbits she's hiding under her shirt. British people, I demand to know: Has she been naked in anything? Speaking of teeth, I must need to go back and watch some older Rose episodes because I really don't see why people are making such a fuss about Billie Piper. I do think her face is a little gaunt but otherwise she's still perfectly fine. When she smiled at the Doctor near the end it was such a fantastic moment. Somewhere in this talkback I again saw mention of Jennifer Saunders playing the Doctor in one of the specials. WTF? They can't actually be planning that can they? The first time I read it was last week, I thought it was just a riff since Joanna Lumley played the Master in that Children In Need sketch. Come to think of it, Saffy was in that too, wasn't she? Are they going for the trifecta? Where's Jenny? Big finale blowout and you're not going to have the Doctor's daughter come sweeping in? Maybe next week. What was that bit about the Time War being in a time lock? And Martha has an odd key? Nah... Did I mention Eve Myles's breasts already? Finally, to the people who write in every Saturday: Some of you, and I pray you know who you are, need to realize that a "review" is not the same as a "report." You can "review" an episode of Doctor Who without, and I'll repeat that, WITHOUT listing in order, in detail, every single thing you just saw on the screen. If this keeps up one day people are going to start emailing Herc outright transcripts.
Cliffhanger: fear of the writer by Dreamfasting	Jun 29th, 2008 01:31:46 AM
I found the cliffhanger made me more afraid of where the writer was going than where the plot was going. A scenario has been set up which feels like either a deux ex machina reset button is going to have to be hit or the series will be catastrophically mutilated and I'm scared that I don't know which it is. I do have to say that I really like that even in the midst of a frantic, chaotic mesh of characters and wacky foreshadowing, Davros managed to maintain that sense of calm, cold menace as he tutored his children or his brief weight-of-history conversation with the Doctor. And I have to admit I enjoyed the hokey little Richard Dawkins cameo - although deep down I would have preferred to have seen his wife :)
Not the Master's ring... by MisterE	Jun 29th, 2008 01:46:03 AM
I've been frame advancing through both the Series 3 finale and the new episode, and Donna's ring is not the same as what the Master wore. The Master's ring was gold with a ring of planets inlaid in a round jade (?) face. Donna's ring is large and square, with an odd face that comes to a flat, pyramid-like point. Her ring looks like it might have flip open to expose a small inner compartment. Perhaps her ring serves the same purpose as the fob watches used by the Doctor and the Master, and she was hearing the beating of drums.
donna by robbowho	Jun 29th, 2008 01:54:29 AM
donna a time lord regenerates in to alex kingston ?
Donna's ring... by MisterE	Jun 29th, 2008 02:18:17 AM
In case anyone is interested, Donna was shown wearing the ring at the beginning and again at the end of last week's episode, "Turn Left". Has the ring been shown in previous episodes?
His most faithful companion.... by Desmondo	Jun 29th, 2008 02:19:30 AM
Could it be the TARDIS will die? I think that would be far sadder than any of the females dying. That is until the giant reset button.
re: themightycooker (stairs) by Dreamfasting	Jun 29th, 2008 02:27:57 AM
That whole scene on the stairs was rather odd - the odd heartbeat, the mention of something on her back, the water, the foreshadowing of loss. I don't want to hazard a guess though because of the history of misdirection in finales.
Pretty weak episode... CERTAINLY not great. by TheGhostWhoLurks	Jun 29th, 2008 03:02:55 AM
Bad, cheesy late 80s/early 90s SFX, corny dialouge, weak acting and pretty much everything tossed in there (The Daleks, Davros, UNIT, the self-absorbed and annoying Harriet Jones, every companion the 10th Doctor's had, the end of the world/universe, Rose/The Doctor's reunion, his regeneration)for... what? Maybe it's simply a case of being the middle of a trilogy episode with no real beginning or end, but this episode really was weak. Despite the raving reviews here, there was no real shock or drama. NO ONE believes that The Doctor's really regenerating, since Tennant's coming back and Davros is really no more dramatic than he was in the past. Even when he opens his shirt to show that he'd flayed himself to the bone to make new Daleks, my only thought was "Yeah... so? His FACE is 100 times more gross, and I've been seeing that since I was a kid in the 70s!" I simply didn't care about any of these characters, even though I SHOULD and have in the past. It's simply the result of bad writing and pacing on RTD's part, coupled with bad SFX and surprisingly bad acting from people who should know better. I'm certainly not on the edge of my seat for next week's episode, and that's a shame. RTD brought back Dr. Who from oblivion and deserves credit for that. However, his swan song story only confirms in my mind that half of the time, he really doesn't know where he wants to go with his ideas and if he does, isn't able to convey them in a satisfying manner to the viewing audience. I honestly can't say I'll miss his presence in future seasons. :(
Spoilers by JADSTERSDAD	Jun 29th, 2008 03:12:15 AM
C'mon.. let's get real. I NEVER read ANY of ANY review where I don't want to know what's going to happen in a film or TV show. Apart from the end of the review, maybe, where they say "that was awesome.." or "that sucked". A lot of people here are talking because they're in the UK and have seen it already. btw I never do a recap - it's against my religion (Sorry Richard).
Bring McGann to the mix NOW! by The Chebb	Jun 29th, 2008 03:17:19 AM
It would be epic to see him as the Doctor again!
Well I loved that! (NO spoilers) by smellmycheese	Jun 29th, 2008 03:41:41 AM
It was fast paced, epic, solid entertainment! Sure it had the same problems that most of RTD's scripts have (plot holes, exposition over explanation, cartoon action/acting, feeble attempts at comedy, etc) and the usual, unnecessary, "celebrity" cameo... but what the heck - it was f'n brilliant and a lot of fun - and when there are so many treats on screen, the scales can only tip in one direction! It was great to have all the spinovers cross over and I get a real sense that RTD is getting everyone together for one big farewell party (both on- and off-screen). I also spotted Mickey at the table reading on DWC and unless I'm very much mistaken (and I hope I am!) Jackie Tyler was sitting on his right. Sure it wasn't perfect, but it was as close to it as RTD is ever going to get and while I would have also loved some more philosophical and enquisitive exchanges between Davros and Tennant, I enjoyed it all nonetheless. So here are my thoughts and predictions in brief (and in no particular order): Davros. He looked as every bit as horrific as I remember - but better! A standout job by both the performer and the FX crew! What a shame he only features in 2 episodes - although I'm hoping he features heavily during the specials and that the specials focus on the Time War. I agree his reveal was mishandled: very little build up, very little tension - he just rolled out of the shadows and I watched him do it, whereas I would've prefered to have shat my pants when he made his grand entrance. Oh well, at least the FX crew know their game even if the director/editor/orchestra got it wrong. Rose. Why? Billie Piper's teeth. Anyone shocked by Billie Pipers teeth/lisp/inability to speak clearly a) never noticed how big her teeth were in the first place and b) snoozed through all of last weeks episode because she gnashed her way through the WHOLE thing! Martha. I was sorry to see you go. I'm even more sorry to see you return. Donna. I Tated the news of her return. I thought she would ruin season 4 with her gurning and screaming. However, she has been superb throughout and a breath of fresh air. After the wide-eyed, rose-tinted lensed, lovesick Rose and Martha, she was exactly what the show needed (older, life-weary, questioning and not in love with the Doctor). And what a shame that as the only new companion with a likeable and interesting family they haven't been involved anywhere nearly as much as the others. Man, I love Cribbins. Give him and his telescope a spin-off. I hope the conclusion to this story doesn't suck like last season.
Well I loved that! (SPOILERS) by smellmycheese	Jun 29th, 2008 03:42:34 AM
That cliffhanger. Where did that come from??!! I was so not expecting that and I loved it. RTD, you are one cheeky monkey!! And as much as I love everything that is, I'm sure to also love what is to come. RTD, you better make good on your promise because that's no way to treat the fans if you don't follow it through. The Doctor's hand. Yes, I saw you, bubbling away there. Hardly inconspicuous were you. RTD has done most, if not all, the big Doctor Who things now except one: the multi-Doctor episode. Yes, the Children in Need special is as good as canon but Moffat wrote that and I suspect RTD will want to out-do his 7 minutes of glory. There's been rumours/speculation that Tennat will leave when RTD does, but RTD doesn't officially leave until after the specials. Considering that James Nesbitt's name has been banded about, and that he starred in Jekyll written by Moffat, I think there's a good chance that he may take over. So, rather than have the current Doctor teamed with a former incarnation it may well be the current Doctor teamed with the NEXT incarnation (providing the Doctor you know what and the hand grows a new body thanks to it's close proximity). As for Tennant, well, after his specials if he wants to go and live happily ever after with Rose and his fob watch in a parallel universe I'll wish them both the best. I hope the specials are used in a way that allow RTD and Tennant to hand the baton over to Moffat and Nesbitt. The specials. If the specials deal with the Time War, and RTD really does bring everything he's created full circle by tying up loose ends and covering this story then I'd be quite happy to see Tennant, Nesbitt and McGann working as a team to defeat Davros. I hope there is no reset button. I hope this episode, the Time War and the last 4 years aren't "undone". That would piss me off... but Donna's beetle... I have a worrying doubt... plus I think I'm all Dalek-ed out so 4 specials featuring them may just finish me off. I suspect the specials will run on Christmas 2008, Easter weekend 2009 and a Christmas Day / Boxing Day double bill 2009 and hope none of them feature robot santas or clockwork killer bunnies. Who would've thought that Doctor Who would EVER have been the BBC's big, flagship show??! Well done to everyone involved!!! If Tennant gets his big new £1.3m BBC salary to keep him on then I'll be happy because he and this show are worth 10 Casualties / Holby Cities / Holby Blues and every other soap and big name star (like Jonathan Woss and Graham "teeheehee - cock!!" Norton) the BBC decides to squander £130+ of my money on. This is the most I've ever written. That's how good that episode was. Let's hope next week doesn't disappoint.
from the standpoint of a RTD hater... by TinSpider	Jun 29th, 2008 03:58:22 AM
That was pretty fucking good. However, the fact we've seen so much of the daleks watered down the threat and the foul taste of the Manhattan fiasco was still in my mouth. Imagine if we hadn't seen the daleks since the Dalek episode of the first season... that would have been a much bigger deal. Davros was fucking ace though. Spot on. I do however fear a big reset button being pressed. Unless the four specials handle the aftermath of events and the regeneration is fucked, causing him to change into diffeent people while Tennant does his own thing and works out if he wants back in?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh Wasn't that grand????? by carefulsilly	Jun 29th, 2008 04:01:47 AM
Well, I'm holidaying in Spain at the moment but thank the heavens I managed to find a BBC broadcast! And I was blown away! I did get that 'er...what was that all about?' feeling about twenety minutes after watching it, but then that's the fun of Doctor Who. I must say that finale really came out of left field, I firmly believe we're going to get two Tennants. And OF COURSE the close ups on the hand must be heading somewhere... But how lovely would it be to see paul McGann in the role... Shame it isn't going to happen. Must admit to feeling terribly sad when Harriet died. I absolutely adore her and she should have had her second chance in charge and enlightened the UK with her 'Golden Age.' Poor cow. As to Billie Piper and her teeth! I think she has just lost weight, she´s hardly the sort of person to resort to plastic surgery, in fact she's spoken out against it in the past. I think she's fantastic. (Though HOW long was that road they were running along?) Golly, I hope next week is as fabulous as last night. Regards one and all and please don't kill Donna. Steven x
Whining, whining, then some more whining by blagwedge	Jun 29th, 2008 04:22:54 AM
I am getting SICK of reading the en-masse slagging off of Russell T Davies and his episodes, some people are just impossible to please!!! This episode had EVERYTHING. It had all the companions from the new era, it even had a companion from the OLD era (Sarah Jane), it had Daleks destroying earth, It had a mad gibbering half destroyed dalek Khan (i had to giggle at that, weird brain like thing squirming about inside the broken dalek casing), it had DAVROS!!!!! It had Davros, you ungrateful fanboy shits!!!!! It had torchwood! Well, whats left of Torchwood, anyway. It had subtle nods to the finale, and of course that final scene was just brilliant. A regeneration! Who would have thunk? It winds me up to hear anyone complain about this new incarnation of Who, about the scripts, about the FX. Obviousley, these whining runts were never around to see the INCREDIBLY poor FX and script writing of the Original Who, which quite frankly deserved to die out. New Who is the Who i deserved to watch back in the 80s, well written, and the effects arent too bad, considering its a british show. All the so called spoilers in this talkback really make me laugh, because no-one really knows whats going on. Except me. I know whats going to happen, the Doctor is going to regenerate into.......DAVID DICKINSON!!!!!! Muahahahahahahaha
Too many capital letters by blagwedge	Jun 29th, 2008 04:25:13 AM
Sorry about that last post, far too many capital letters. Wont happen again :)
Rose's mother also in next weeks episode by Mr Copper	Jun 29th, 2008 04:36:18 AM
According to the publisity photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/c ameronkmcewan/2606520969/
Geekgasm ! by RobinP	Jun 29th, 2008 04:37:07 AM
So, how immensely cool was THAT ???? I have huge questions based on some things that we were shown - or, maybe I'm just geekily grasping at straws that aren't even there. Okay - lets look at the cool - Daleks...LOTS of 'em. More menacing than ever. Loved them shooting the hell out of a terraced house, and there's something just awesomely cool about seeing them glide along suburban streets. Those Dalek saucers just take me straight back to my childhood reading TV21. Remember THAT ? The f/x - the planets in the sky....mind blowing. The long awaited reunion between the Doctor & Rose. I was sure the Dalek would shoot her, not him. Where do I begin the geekgasm ? Daleks at Torchwood ? Daleks bearing down on Sarah Jane ? Davros ? What the hell's inside that Red Dalek ? Dalek Khan - clearly off his tits ? Re-gen-er-f'ckin-nation ? Obviously, this was way beyond my expectations. Questions - at the Shadow proclamation, Donna is sitting quietly contemplating something. One of the white haired women there tells her something about her being different...we've heard her described as "something else" before. Does she STILL have something on her back ? Was that....drumming I heard. Drumming equals The Master. A female hand picked up his ring at the end of the last season. Am I on to something ? Dalek Khan spoke of the threefold man coming. Does this mean that Tennant will split in to three ? Both Peter Davison and Sylvester McCoy were interviewed on "Confidential". Wouldn't be the first time the Doctor has had previous incarnations helping him. His most faithful companion will die. Who's that ? Rose ? Martha ? Donna ? Sarah Jane ? I'm not thinking any of those.....I'm thinking TARDIS ! It's a living thing, remember ? I'm hoping the regeneration isn't going to be a copout. We deserve better than that. Some ways this could be tackled: Three way split - 2 previous incarnations and Tennant for one episode, morphing back to Tennant by way of the hand in the jar (it HAS to be there for a reason) Regeneration - bold move. New actor, lots of danger, we'll get used to him fast. Also better than getting used to him over the four specials to be shown next year. The ice will have been broken, so to speak. Reset...the hand in the jar grows a new Doctor or something like that to reset things as they were. Copout and I want my licence money back. Discuss...
Tennant is NOT leaving by kwisatzhaderach	Jun 29th, 2008 04:39:21 AM
And the BBC has confirmed 4 specials for next year, one of which will be the 2009 Xmas special. So we have this years Xmas Special, followed by 3 specials next year and then the 2009 Xmas special. Then a full series in 2010.
Oh the Geek Joy by 2LeggedFreak	Jun 29th, 2008 04:46:19 AM
Above anything else, RTD's, gleeful joy in getting people screaming in disbelief is on display here. Absolutely loved the motherfuckingly huge metallic " To Be Continued" that they stamped on the end credits as if to say "Gotcha". Also the wilful lack of any "Next time on Dr Who " clips. Hope the next ep lives up to this.
Holy Flucking Schnit! by fiester	Jun 29th, 2008 05:08:23 AM
Good stuff. Good good stuff. Epic.
So underwhelmed by puddleduck	Jun 29th, 2008 05:10:27 AM
Didn't like last week's episode but disliked this week's episode even more. It seemed to me that RTD has been keeping a notebook where he has randomly jotted down over the past couple of years some ideas for his "final" Doctor Who eps (whenever it happened) Now that it is happening, he can't decide between which of these ideas so he put them all in, whether they made any cohesive sense at all. To me, the episode was a complete muddle, very bad acting from Rose, Martha and Sarah-Jane. Disagree with you, Finklestone, thought Catherine Tate's acting was the best of the cast. The episode seemed purely to indulge RTD whims and possibly to give the less popular spinoffs that RTD will continue to work some extra publicity. Please note: I am not an RTD hater, but really hated this ep
James Nesbitt by Kurutteru Yatsu	Jun 29th, 2008 05:12:30 AM
I keep seeing Nesbitt's name bandied about so I finally remembered to look him up tonight. Yikes. Should certainly clear up any issues people have with companions falling for the Doctor.
I have a theory by Duran	Jun 29th, 2008 05:31:28 AM
based on what others have come with. Perhaps someones suggestion that Donna is the master. The master and davros are in cahoots as is whoever is behind this bug on donna's back. the master (as donna) allows this bug to be on his back to create the chaos needed create the situation he requires to (and here is my possibly lame theory), get the doctor shot at some stage, so that he goes into a state of regeneration, during that regeneration, he manages to leave donna (via the energy craated by the doctors regeneration) and effectively highjack the regeneration process and come back to life, in the meantime (and an unexpected result for the master), the hand, as someone above suggestion, get some of this energy and grows a new David Tennent, and battle ensues. I know there is lots of holes here, but it's just a theory.
Dalek Kahn is the Cylon hub by Fourthwall	Jun 29th, 2008 05:34:46 AM
http://tinyurl.com/2wwqdy
Hmmmm. Deja Vu all over again by DoctorTom	Jun 29th, 2008 05:39:45 AM
The scene of all the planets hanging near each other in space made me think that RTD got the idea from Infinite Crisis, with Davros instead of Alexander Luthor. I enjoyed the episode, but don't think it's the best; I actually preferred The Sound of Drums as a penultimate episode. The Shadow Proclamation just didn't seem to match up at all to what was intimated before whenever the name was invoked.
if you watch it again by DrLektor	Jun 29th, 2008 06:06:51 AM
The reason that the Doctor didn't die when the Dalek shot him was pure luck, it hit the left side of his body, effectively stopping only one of his hearts. Though he has had one heart stopped before it was made clear he couldn't live without them both for long. Add the usual Dalek radiation to the beam and you have one slowly dying Timelord, no mystery there. He will regenerate into someone new, I totally believe that, but the threefold man? 1) Tennant, who dies and regenerates into 2) the new incarnation and 3) something regrown from the hand in the jar, maybe they'll pull a fast one and regrow the Tennant Doctor from it. That way he can leave to spend some time with Rose AND come back for future episodes. But I still stand by my theory on the Master's return. Maybe we won't see it next week but it'll be forshadowed. The hand that picked up the ring was definitely Donna's and if you look at the scene where she's sitting on the stairs again, the ring she wears is a black oval. The dual heartbeat/sound of drums was too much of a coincidence. You can't have Doctor Who without the Master. I'd really love to see Richard E Grant officially become the 11th Doctor, he's cool, funny and quite sinister, a definite change.
Summing up then by ropacom	Jun 29th, 2008 06:29:31 AM
That was great - probably liable to break apart under close scrutiny but hey thats 50% of all Who inc hartnell, troughton, pertwee et al. And its a childrens show. And it swept me up quite nicely thank you very much. nearly every cliffhanger ending is a 'copout' - its always the balance of 'how are they going to?' versus the inevitable let down of 'oh they were standing on a trapdoor - how frakking convient'. Right now am enjoying the 'cliffhang' feeling of wonder and can't wait for next weeks ep. as long as theres no house elves. Anyone else pick up on Davros 'drumming' the fingers of his righthand? foreshadowing perhaps? How well does liz sladen look for her age eh? Its simply MEGA CHOC to have Dr Who back the last few years. Moffat eps/RTD eps - whatever - overall its greater than the sum of its parts. Knit me a mutli-coloured scarf please mum.
my verdict by Lemming	Jun 29th, 2008 06:56:27 AM
the cliffhanger ending was a nice surprise (a rare commodity in the days of the internet geek), but I agree with those that said it was a very messy episode. RTD seems to think having lots of jump cuts, silent emotional faces and far-too-loud soundtracks will disguise this. He's wrong. Parts I liked. Parts made me cringe. ie. an atypical RTD episode. The Doctor actually being shot while on that never ending run towards Rose was the cheesiest thing I've seen yet. It wouldn't have been out of place in Dead Ringers.
Donna on the stairs by Stanton	Jun 29th, 2008 06:59:09 AM
The red-eyed gel says "you are something new" to her, which kind of gets lost, as Donna replies to a different question. So what could be new?? Is she in the wrong universe? Or, given the sound of drums, is she a new combo of a Time Lord and a human? Donna wears a ring - what did the Master's look like??
David Tennet not in next episode (much)? by Mr Copper	Jun 29th, 2008 07:18:51 AM
It says in the TV guide that the doctor is helpless...Why would he be helpless if the re-generation worked? "With the Doctor helpless and even the Tardis facing destruction, the only hope of survival lies with his secret army of companions - but as they join forces to battle Davros himself, the prophecy declares one of them will die."
Osterhagen is an anagram of...... by Mr Copper	Jun 29th, 2008 07:22:35 AM
Osterhagen is an anagram of Earth's gone, so definitely some sort of weapon or reset.
DJ Bollocks... what is the point in by Seph_J	Jun 29th, 2008 07:39:47 AM
doing what you do? Can you justify the crappy 'review' that you submit? Please?
Cliffhangers by JADSTERSDAD	Jun 29th, 2008 07:50:43 AM
This sort of thing (last night) would be really REALLY good....IF....we didn't have knowledge of the sort of 'Tennant has filmed the Xmas special'. How do we get roung that? I'm not talking about spoiler-dudes on here, but the fact that this sort of filming info is common knowledge these days. I wish the makers would really fool us (fake press stories, for example).
Christ has no one seen Brown suit/Blue suit Doc pics? by EvilWizardGlick	Jun 29th, 2008 07:51:04 AM
There are some set shots of Tennant in a Brown suit and a Blue suit. Rumor has it there are TWO Tennants one with a single human heart. They are distinguished by the suit color. Some of those shots are TARDIS on a beach with Rose and possibly Mickey and Roses mom and Tennant. I wonder, River Song said the last time she saw the Doctor he came to her house with a NEW SUIT AND HAIRCUT. Blue suit new suit. I didn't catch if he had a haircut though. House could be Donna's.
The real McCoy by JADSTERSDAD	Jun 29th, 2008 07:51:36 AM
Someone mentioned footage of a McCoy interview, in costume. Where is that, please? His return would be the dog's, for me.
Finale trailer now online by Mr Copper	Jun 29th, 2008 07:54:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =BnXho4H6ucI
EvilWizardGlick by Mr Copper	Jun 29th, 2008 08:01:27 AM
Do you have a link for the photos you mention.
Doctor helpless, say you ? by RobinP	Jun 29th, 2008 08:04:12 AM
Regeneration, say I. Remember the Xmas special when he was helpless for most of the episode ? He'd just regenerated.
Donna Huon particles by EvilWizardGlick	Jun 29th, 2008 08:09:43 AM
Huon particles See also: The Runaway Bride (Doctor Who) Ancient particles from the Dark Times, created independently by Time Lords and later the Torchwood Institute. They are potentially deadly and contain a great amount of energy. Huon particles will magnetise with other sets of Huon particles, causing people to inadvertently teleport. A remnant of them exists in the heart of the TARDIS.
I always by nukethefridge	Jun 29th, 2008 08:09:53 AM
find dr who a bit messy
JADSTERSDAD by BiggusDickus	Jun 29th, 2008 08:10:03 AM
That would be me. McCoy was interviewed in 'Doctor Who: Confidential', the 'making of' programme that aired on BBC3 following this episode. He was dressed in his costume at the time. Peter Davison was also intervied, but he wasn't wearing his trademark kit. Oh, and fanboys - it's Dalek Caan, not Khan. Sorry for being pedantic...
Mr Copper by EvilWizardGlick	Jun 29th, 2008 08:12:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/chemer2 012 http://www.digitalspy.co.uk /forums/showthread.php?p=25068 758 The regeneration that you see is a botched one. DT is not leaving as he has been seen in other pictures that I have on my youtube channel. He also has been seen doing the Christmas Special. My theory is that Dalek Khan said that HE IS COMING THREEFOLD. That means that The Doctor is going to split into 3 people. I can prove this as there are pictures of DT in a Brown Suit and also a Blue Suit. Wer know Sarah Jane doesn't get Exterminated because she is seen on The Dalek Ship in the preview of Journeys End on Blue Peter. I also believe that Donna is maybe a forgotten time lord or even the Rani that used the Camelian Arch. Is is definatly not a regular human as The Doctor said in Turn Left. He said there was way too much coincidence around her. This is just my theory. But others that have posted my theory on the BBC Web Site have had it removed so it must be true. my spoilers are on www.youtube.com/chemer2012
Blue suit has been alternated since Martha. by EvilWizardGlick	Jun 29th, 2008 08:16:34 AM
It looks as if the foundation of splitting into a Brown suit and Blue suit doctor has been established for quite a while. Possibly one gets to stay in alternate verse with Rose. Although there could be one there already. Rose did have someone teleport her. Probably Mickey. As he seems to be moving to Torchwood.
Dalek James Caan by EvilWizardGlick	Jun 29th, 2008 08:17:29 AM
C'mon you know it would be cool.
EvilWizardGlick by BiggusDickus	Jun 29th, 2008 08:25:01 AM
Imagine a nice little mop of curly hair on top of that brainy-tentacley mass. Sweet!
nerdy experiment... by Perky	Jun 29th, 2008 08:33:58 AM
if you type in the number that torchwood et al used to call the doctor (07700900461) into predictive text in your phone it comes up with: "ps x go." x is the roman numeral for 10 - could it be a hidden hint that the 10th doctor is going? nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhh, that just sounds stupid.

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