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Christian Bale Wants Nolan's BATMAN to Remain Robin-Free?

It could be done.... by obiwayne	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:26:32 AM
just hope it is not.
Oh.... by obiwayne	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:26:55 AM
and they better not screw up two-face this time!
Second! by Big Dumb Ape	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:26:59 AM
There, I'll be first and now no one can claim first! Bwa-ha-ha! I'm in DK Joker mode!
Robin is a big part of the bat universe. by JediRob	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:27:19 AM
But yeah he just wouldn't really fit. He didn't really fit in the last series either.
We need Mr. Freeze by darth_hideous	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:29:19 AM
and BatGirl Chris Nolan could handle those well LOL
Oh no it can't! by CaptainWalker	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:30:03 AM
All Robin was ever good for was to get tied up on the railroad tracks so that Batman could have a convenient plot reason to come to the rescue. Keep him out unless it's as a TRAGIC flashback.
Damn! So much for that trick. As for Robin... by Big Dumb Ape	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:32:17 AM
Actually I loved BB so much and am so looking forward to DK that until I saw this news bit I swear that I hadn't even THOUGHT of Robin being introduced into this revamped universe. The character literally had been pushed from my mind. And frankly, the more I think about it, regardless of whether this quote is real or not) I hope they don't do it. Seems to me there's plenty of movies and time for Batman to BE Batman and prove he's the World's Greatest Detective all on his own and as a solo act fighting his rogues gallery of villains. On the other hand, sexist ape that I am, they should feel free to introduce an uber hot Talia at any time since I'd like a higher babe factor in these movies. Come on, it's also Bruce Wayne, world's wealthiest and swingest bachelor! Christian Bale needs to give Robert Downey jr a run for his money!
Robin would have to be done in such a way.... by Han Cholo	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:35:32 AM
That it wouldn't come off campy. Also the big consideration would be the costume. I think they'd have to do some major work so it looks cool alongside Batman. I think they actually did a good job of it in Batman Forever but here it would need to look realistic and functional. One big thing is that they shouldn't have Dick Grayson be a kid. But I think Nolan's too smart for that anyway. Yeah he'd have to be a teen or a young looking guy like they did with Chris O'Donnell. But they would need a much better actor to pull it off.
I'm fine with that by BenBraddock	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:36:42 AM

Nolan's 3rd Batman = "GOTHAM" by Sovikos	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:37:53 AM
They should bring in Robin, but make it dark. It can be done, and it would be awesome if Nolan did it, cause he could have The Joker kill Robin I and have Robin II become Nightwing later on, or however it went.
...and if Bat-Mite crops up... by RobinP	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:38:13 AM
...I'll chain myself up somewhere and refuse to see the movie !
Robin does not belong by the_scream	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:40:06 AM
The whole reason Robin was introduced in the comics was to downplay the dark image of Batman and provide a character that young comic book readers could identify with. These films are neither light or for young kids. So, there is no need for Robin at all.
Chris Odonnel i'm TELLING YOU by Prossor	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:47:42 AM
this man would make a PERFECT foil and comrodarie with bale's Batman, and a clever nod as continuation in tying all those previous Batmans together! Can you imagine the two kicking ass? He can even prove he has overcome the nipples by taking a sander and sanding them off this time!
Bob Hoskins for the Penguin next movie!! by BatPsycho	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:48:33 AM
that would be fucking sweet!
Take a bow Mr. Bale by prunkhaft	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:50:42 AM
Fucking right. I hate Robin in the comics and I hate him more in the movies. Were I Bale I'd say exactly that, but he of course never did, I'd imagine that he and Nolan are on the same page and he'd have little question about the future of the franchise.
shia labeouf would be a perfect robin! by reckni	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:51:27 AM
Seriously, who could do a better job? Great actor!
Aaaw fuck no by boogy110	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:52:48 AM
Just like IRONMAN sucks as a comic but rules on film; It's vise versa for Robin. The character is way too weak for film and may make the movie...comical.
Oh, well, so if big man on campus... by depalma25	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:53:27 AM
Christian Bale doesn't want Robin, then I guess the whole fucking world has to stop and make sure that Bale isn't subjected to Robin. Does Bale only want blue M&M's in his trailer as well? How about only his make-up man from Banglidesh be flown in for every film just to make sure his hair is washed with a certain berry formula. How about if before Morgan Freeman delivers any line with the authority we've come to expect from one Mr. Freeman, a Grip from the film crew is forced to give Bale a hand-job? Hey Bale, what if Michael Caine is up for an Oscar but you're filming the second sequel to Batman Begins; will you force him to skip his big night,just like Jaws:The Revenge? What a fucking arrogant piece of shit. Sincerely, Dick Grayson
Oh, and I'll be Pig Fucked? by prunkhaft	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:53:34 AM
Just wanna beat that douche to it.
by KurtLockwood	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:53:49 AM

by KurtLockwood	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:53:49 AM

by KurtLockwood	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:53:50 AM

Chris Odonell??? by boogy110	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:54:27 AM
The guy is fucking 40! lol, how gay would it be to have a 40 year old man named Robin, with nipples!! BRING BACK JOEL SCHUMACKER!!!
I hope you knocked on wood reckni by prunkhaft	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:55:09 AM
If shia can get into Indy he can sure as fuck get into Batman. Oh christ..
Bale doesn't want to share the Batsignal by KurtLockwood	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:56:26 AM
Nolan could do a cool Robin if he wanted. But I have always thought that the Robin character was a bit weird. I mean, this psycho rich guy, Bruce Wayne, dresses up like a bat and kicks the living shit out of killers and various bad guys, then he takes on a "ward" and teaches the youngster bat-stuff and basically, puts a young boy in danger of being killed in nearly every situation. If that's not weird enough, how about Robin's costume colors? Batman wears black to hide in shadows so why is Robin's costume bright yellow, green and orange? Presumably, Batman designed Robin's costume as well, so why not the sensible black like his? It's almost like he wants the bad guys to see Robin so they don't shoot at him first, haha. I remember in the comics when the Joker beat the second Robin to death with a crowbar and then blew him up (because the readership voted he should die). Frank Miller used this fact to great effect in The Dark Knight series. I could see Nolan using Robin if they kill him off.
don't know what happened there by KurtLockwood	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:57:05 AM
I have a 7 month old clamoring over me as I type. sorry.
Prossor I assume you joke... by PurityOfEssence	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:00:01 AM
I personally have no desire to see Robin appear - be it Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, or Carrie Kelley (which wouldn't really even be valid but I figured I would cover that element) or in any form or variation of said character, Nightwing, et al. I don't see how the character could work in this story.
I don't know i think robin could work in this nolan universe bat by ampersand110	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:02:06 AM
i mean they are using the jeph loeb and tim sale books for the movies then robin could work. i guess i could be wrong though, i did buy an hd-dvd player...
Agree and disagree Lockwood by prunkhaft	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:05:18 AM
Robin is in fact so weird-for all the reasons you wrote and more-that not even Nolan could do a cool Robin. Nobody can. Robin is not cool, and he turns Batman from an awesome caped crusader to a creepy old guy with money and a penchant for damaged young boys. And you mentioned my favorite Batman ever, the cliffhanger where readers vote on Robins fate, I voted and was thrilled to find I was in the majority.
Shia must be Robin by Darth_Inedible	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:14:20 AM
Shia could play a tough streetwise Robin who would fit into Nolan's universe. Seriously that's how you make Batman films. The third film in any Batman series must have a Robin. And in the fourth film the Batmobile must have blacklight ground effects.
AGREED by Rocklover79	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:14:41 AM
If it ain't broke...
Share the spotlight? by Fat and Curious	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:14:52 AM
The spotlight for Dark Knight is ENTIRELY on Heath Ledger's performance. Shit, I had to rewatch Batman Begins the other day to ensure I'd actually care about Batman/Bruce Wayne in the movie. Bale's constant favorable comments on Ledger's performance give no hint that he is worried about "sharing the spotlight". Bale seems like a class act to me.
Theres only one place for Robin in this series... by groorgman	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:17:41 AM
Strapped to a bomb, made by the Joker who's laughing hysterically as he pushes the button... It could work. Robins big place in the bat-verse is a joke by the Joker What's yellow, green and red all over? :)
Bale by bod33	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:19:44 AM
I dont think Bale has a bad attitude or is big headed in not wanting Robin, he just knows it would suck big time and end up with people saying how gay it is, wichever way Nolan did it.
Weird considering Bale loves Dark Victory by messi	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:25:55 AM
and Robin was central in that. There is a way you could introduce him into the Nolan franchise but the domino mask would have to go.
Definitely real. by RawShark13	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:26:07 AM
Bale has let his disdain for Robin be known before.
I'd say forego Robin and introduce Nightwing by messi	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:28:15 AM
And have the proposed costume from Twilight of the Superheroes where he looks more like a Ninja. Plus Nightwing is more believable to an audience, put more Kali into his martial arts and Kali sticks and you have Jason Bourne fighting alongside Batman.
It wont happen cuz its like unrealistic. by Rufferto	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:29:32 AM
People who dress like bats and fight crime make more sense. Fuck you.
dur hur hur by Rufferto	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:29:47 AM

If Robin is in the next film... by spectrebeeyatch	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:30:23 AM
It should set up his death in a 4th film. I think that is the only use full purpose for Robin. I doubt Nolan will do Robin though I'll wait and see what happens in Dark Knight but I feel as if Two Face's story will cross over into the third film. Now for the third movie who will the other villain be? Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Clay Face, and Scar face these sci-fi type baddies I think Nolan avoids. That leaves really the Riddler and a realistic Penguin or Catwoman sadly which we've all seen before. Maybe Hush I don't know but I do like to think about it.
Please no Robin by Mullah Omar	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:30:33 AM
I don't think the tone and focus of Nolan's BATMAN reboot is suitable for a sidekick. An ally and peer like Gordon, sure, but not some kid.
idiots by Rufferto	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:32:42 AM

As the Joker calls him:" ROBIN, THE BOY HOSTAGE" by Optimus Primal	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:32:48 AM
Ive never like robin as a character. He always seemed out of place in the Batman universe. Like someone somewhere decided Batman needed a sidekick who spewed one liners to lighten up the mood. He should have been killed off a long time ago IMO.
Rupert Evans for Robin! by The Brains	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:32:58 AM
Come on he's British Nolan likes that crap as for Bale pick an accent pick a franchise will ya
There is no place for Robin... by MonkeyManReturns	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:33:03 AM
...in Nolan's Batman. None. Robin had his day with the previous series and look what a screw up that was. The only reason to bring Robin in would be to start a three-part Bane arc where Robin becomes Nightwing when the BAT gets his back broke...but that 'aint ever going to happen...which means, no Robin.
It's official : Shia signed as Robin ! by theplant	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:33:17 AM
Nolan is out, Brett Ratner will direct the sequel. Jackie Chan will co star as a comic booky geek.
The Problem with Robin in Nolans Bat universe.. by wowsah156	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:33:45 AM
First : The Flying Graysons. To early to introduce. 2:The Bats environment hasnt become suitably aliemated and lonely enough to need to have Robin yet. One of the points of the character of Robin is to pull The Bat back from the brink of the abyss from the darkness. 3: Robins costume: A LOT of thought is going to have to go into figuring what it will be like. 4: Age of the actor to play Robin. Nolan should cast a proper child/boy in the role, to show the dubious nature of The Bat allowing essentially a CHILD ( and not some sub par 20 year old) to be exposed to danger death and guns. 5: Robins figting style acrobatics: They will need a parkour practioner the same size as robin to pull of stunts and moves that The Bat wouldnt even THINK about. So to sum up at this point in the Nolan, Bat universe Robin isnt needed yet. Things will have to be more dark and grim before Robin's introduction.
by The Brains	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:35:02 AM
What about a Robin film on his own. Armand Hammer is at the beginning of the movie and hands Robin his "mantle" and the keys to the cabana and then Robin wanders off and fights crime in the city. Swinging building to building and shit.
Thank... whatever us atheists thank! by Gabba-UK	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:38:51 AM
Robin worked in the Adam West version because like the premise of that show, Robin was campy and stupid. Robin's always been the weak part of Batman and I dont recall any story that I've read involving him that I thought worked. But maybe thats just me. If anyoune can think of a way to pull it off it would be Nolan. But for me its a case of it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Robin wouldnt work in Nolan Batman by judge dredds fresh undies	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:43:11 AM
because of the silly name alone.
For the Robin haters please read the comics... by wowsah156	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:49:03 AM
Robin is a good character. In the comics he has to deal with a lot of shit. The problem is that everyone STILL has a mental picture of Burt Ward from the 60's show in their head. The robin in the comics NOW is sort of vigilante who could go into a den of gunned up gangbangers and beat the shit out of them for SPORT. Robin in the comics is a little vicious kid you dont mess with. If Nolan does take Robin into the Bat universe then he has to make sure that we are not reminded of the Burt Ward campery from the TV show. And for the clowns dissing Robin, no shoot your mouth off unless you have kept up with the Bat comics. Dont pass comment on something you dont know, support or read.Go and buy some Robin comics from this year to see what the character is REALLY like. Do your homework.
Hey Kurt Lockwood, still filming adult flicks? by Han Cholo	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:54:04 AM
I've heard of you but I can't put a face to the films you appeared in.
Robin could work... by Stefan McTierney	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:56:02 AM
But I'd rather they didn't try. A movie Robin would have to be a mix of the Grayson and Drake Robins... he has to be named Dick Grayson because the general public thinks that's the only Robin, and Tim Drake, in addition to not wearing the y-fronts, has a more interesting origin story, character-wise, where he's a Batman fan who sees him coming unhinged and tracks him down and all that. So it'd have to be in a movie where Batman goes a little nuts in the beginning. Or he could go completely nuts, All-Star Batman&Robin style, which would make an awesome movie. Well it'd make a stupid movie, but "I'm the goddamn batman!" screamed over and over and the yellow-painted apartment would be kinda awesome.
Oh wait...... by Han Cholo	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:56:26 AM
You're the dude that has a passing resemblance to Robert Downey Jr. Just saw a scene where you do this chick Kat. Damn, that was a hot piece of ass.
By the way, they brought back Jason Todd.... by Han Cholo	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:58:07 AM
In the Under the Hood storyline. I think it was a great story. Plus Jason Todd actually kicks ass in it.
Good by photoboy	Jul 3rd, 2008 02:58:40 AM
It doesn't matter how good Robin is in the comics, to the public at large they'll never shake that negative stereotype about eternal bachelor Bruce Wayne taking in a young boy and spending his nights with him dressed up in tight costumes...
i love tight immobile black rubber by Rufferto	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:10:44 AM
so realistic!
Crispin Glover As Robin. by buster00	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:20:07 AM
Yes, that's right. Crispin Glover. Every lazy fanboy's automatic first choice for casting any role under the fucking sun. It's a moot point anyway -- Nolan is already on the record stating that there will be no Robin in his movies anyway, so get over it.
Robin is part of the Batverse evolution by theycallmemrglass	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:23:15 AM
Batman TAS did it extremely well which lead to the excellent Batman and Robin cartoon series. Nolan can work Robin in with much more class than his predecessors. ANd then we can get Batgirl. Would love to see Catwoman come into this series too. But I have faith in the film makers, they seem to be doing the right thing so far.
even if its fake, i agree by Obscura	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:24:59 AM
didnt nolan say he wasnt interested in telling that story? The only way it could work is if it happens in a 4th film.... a second trilogy. i liked the way they introduced robin in batman forever (even if the film did suck) but to find a way of introducing him into Nolans Gotham will be very difficult. I'd make him a bad guy who wants to change his ways, and slowly build up the trust over another 3 films.
The Ambiguously Gay Duo: The Movie by joe90025	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:26:30 AM
Joel Schumacher was born to direct this.
It could work by SKULL1138	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:27:43 AM
If Robin was younger than they normally do, and sort of uncontrollabel by Wayne, he could Train him as a form of self control. He should only vere be used as a spy/scout/lookout type of thinsg for Bats, under strict orders to not get into the fighting, then show him getting nmore restless and them drifting apart as he goes through his teenage maturing. This could actually work quite well under Nolans type of Bat Universe, much better than 20 something Chris O'Donnel, which was just awful in so many ways. Wont miss him if he is never in it, and he should not appear for some time yet if he is, Batman is too young yet, remeber this is only the second film and we started with how Batman becomes Batman. Far too early to be discussing Robin
Hate to say it but Robin is a HUGE part in the Bat-verse. by Mike_D	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:28:51 AM
Hes a tragic figure like Bruce, except as he gets older he starts to disagree with his methods in bringing Justice to Gotham. This storyline can be done right if they try, and not hoaky like Bale is scared of.
your a gossip mongoring whore beaks by ClockWorker	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:30:52 AM

Ellen Page as Robin by Reelheed	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:38:29 AM
In a "Dark Knight Strikes Again" stylee.
Robin is a big part of the comic book universe... by The Grug	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:41:32 AM
But I really can't see him fitting into Nolan's universe at all - and I certainly hope they don't try too.
I'm fine with the introduction of Robin... by jaws8u	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:46:01 AM
as long it lasts five minutes and ends with his being eviscerated. I think that would fit nicely into Nolan's version of Batman. It could actually work if he was a crazy Batman fan who goes out trying to act like a hero and gets murdered, but that's really the only way.
by The Brains	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:53:23 AM
Something's gotta kill ya right?
I could see them introducing Dick Grayson by sean bean	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:55:28 AM
in the next film as a young kid, tragically orphaned, that would inevitably remind Bruce of himself. He doesn't have to become Robin instantly, but he could be an apprentice. Batman, after all, is pretty much a delusional psychopath and Robin represents his humanity.
"Batman, after all, is pretty much a delusional psychopath" Neg by jaws8u	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:01:34 AM
Batman has never been presented as a psychopath. Delusional... maybe (at times), but psychopath... absolutely not.
How could one make a believable Robin? by krushjudgement	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:04:43 AM
Frightening perhaps.
The only way Robin... by StarskyandHushky	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:11:30 AM
...can be introduced in a realistic way, is if they actually have the balls to write in a gay/bi storyline, where Batman struggles with his new found feelings for this perky young man. Interesting character development and all.
i don't know if it could work.. by notspock2	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:12:36 AM
My instinct tells me this might be the kind of direction to take. They'd have to update the Robin mythos substantially A big gap between the death of the Flying Graysons and him coming to meet Batman, My ideas- Don't have Batman coming across Dick Grayson, until after he is already essentially Robin, but not the boy wonder, more like an out of control vengeful vigilante with serious, serious anger issues.. Dick Grayson following the death of his parents could be living like a real robin, living ferally in the nests/homes of criminals who have been sent to the hospital while they are gone.. He has no grounding, as a vigilante, he goes too far and as a person he's absolutely a failure, He's essentially Batman without the technology, without discipline and without an Alfred to give him any kind of moral compass. Originally Batman sets out to catch him, but on realising who he is and what happened to Dicks' Parents, he tries to save him, Batman catches him going too far at crime scene, and decides to help him to stop him turning into what he looks set to become. Robin can be Mirror to Batman and also his shot at redemption in some ways.. Having said that, I haven't seen the Dark Knight and what happens there might render this idea completely more worthless than the fan spec it is...
Will Smith as Robin...finally! by pokadoo	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:16:30 AM
"Welcome to Gotham, Bitch!" POW!!
robin can have his own friggin movie by zapano	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:17:28 AM
it would seriously take nolan's films in the wrong direction
Probably not a bad idea... by Organs	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:19:27 AM
I mean, they're not doing The Penguin, either, and I'm willing to bet there won't be a Catwoman. Nolan's going for the realistic approach, which I can appreciate. However, I think he gets lost in his details and certain things that he DOES do are just as unbelievable as, say, Clayface. Ultimately, including Robin would be just too much of a challenge, and I doubt Nolan is capable of bring it about. Call me a cynic, but I don't regard him as the infallible genius that so many do. Not that I don't like him, though.
The only time Robin... by DocPazuzu	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:27:18 AM
...was even remotely cool was in this fan-made "trailer" for the film "Grayson": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =XiZuvJ48MZ0 There's no way Robin would work in the Nolan universe.
Not Robin but Dick Grayson by David Cloverfield	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:31:09 AM
Bat starting to think about legacy, and takes him in, start training the boy, so he can be better than him one day. Then in the climax the kid suits up, AGAINST Wayne's orders and helps out. Not a sidekick, but a successor. A contingency if someone happens to Bruce.
notspock2 by spud mcspud	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:32:10 AM
Not only are you Not Spock, but there's definite potential in that there idea. Might not be "real" enough for this very realistic, serious crime drama franchise - about a man who DRESSES LIKE A FUCKING BAT TO FIGHT CRIME! THAT'S why I hated BEGINS, and fear for DARK KNIGHT: because if that scoop above IS true, Bale seriously doesn't understand what he's in: a FUCKING COMIC BOOK MOVIE! It's NOT HEAT 2!!!
Truck Fuck Girl! TRUCK FUCK GIRL! by spud mcspud	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:37:34 AM
Robin vs Autobot: BATFORMERS!
the only way to include robin in the new films... by notgeorgekaplan	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:38:27 AM
...in my opinion would be, if they made robin really young (like about 10 or 12 years old) and a bit disturbed because he saw his parents die. maybe he then starts as some sort of batman-copycat, trying to avenge his parents death. think home-alone-kevin meets michael myers. also his name should be inspired by robin hood like in the original comic but actually i think robin is pretty unnessecary.
Robin will probably appear as... by DerLanghaarige	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:43:56 AM
...some kind of underaged drug dealer that provides Batman from time to time with information that he needs or something like that. I don'T know. Fuck Pigfuckers.
notspock2 by notgeorgekaplan	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:54:55 AM
sorry, i haven't read your post before i wrote mine, but that's essentially what i had in mind, too!
What about Cassandra Cain? by Filker	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:55:34 AM
She's mentally fucked up, and her story could definitely fit into Nolan's universe. A lot of people seem to be opposed to Robin because of all the homoerotic baggage that character seems to bring, but if Wayne took Cass under his wing that obviously wouldn't be an issue.
fuck robin by Conans Sword	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:55:53 AM
theres no need for him, not yet anyway, he'd stick out like a sore thumb.
I didn't even think about Shia by SUPERJIM	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:57:57 AM
When I read this but after all of the mentions here I now know for a fact he would get that gig. And he will probably replace whoever played Jimmy Olsen if they make another Superman. And one of the X men kids.
notgeorgekaplan by notspock2	Jul 3rd, 2008 04:58:04 AM
perhaps all us people who are not someone, are the same person...
RE: Ellen Page as Robin... by Finding Forrestal	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:03:49 AM
...my dick just smashed through the desk and shattered the computer screen. "Don't tempt me, Frodo!"
BTW... by Finding Forrestal	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:04:27 AM
That's a GOOD reaction.
Am I the only one who thinks, that Robin... by DerLanghaarige	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:09:32 AM
...isn't that much weirder than a millionaire who learned his fighting skills from a cult that burns down cities since something like the beginning of time and now dresses up as a bat and hunts down people like a psychiatrist with a bag on his hat and a scarred guy who thinks that he is a clown?
I have never read a comic by SUPERJIM	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:10:27 AM
and my knowledge of Batman come from the movies and a few of the cartoons when I was a kid. I basically know nothing of it. So, my question is this: With BB and TDK being made as realistically as possible and excluding the more fantastical elements, how many more Villains can there be? Who else can be used? Are there a lot of characters without super powers or who's power can be explained away with science? Just curious as I think this series has a lot of potential to go on for a couple more movies at least, does the source material have enough interesting villains?
Batman 3 starring Christian Bale & Burt Ward by Its a LION	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:17:55 AM
It's the only way to do Robin right in this Batman universe. Bruce Wayne (Bale) takes an old hobo (Ward) off the streets and teaches him the joys of the tantric batarang.
You could do Killer Croc... by Finding Forrestal	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:20:14 AM
...as a homeless, disfigured sewer-dweller with some serious muscles. Scarface would work as well. He's just a schizo ventriloquist with a gangster doll. Mad Hatter would just be a crazy dude with an Alice in Wonderland fixation. The Riddler of course. Also Catwoman, Penguin, Poison Ivy, etc. Oh, and Toymaker, a dude with an arsenal of deadly toys. Most of Batman's villains could be done realistically, come to think of it (minus Man-Bat and Clayface).
Reelheed nailed it by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:21:44 AM
Ellen Page would rock as Robin in A TDKR movie.
robin = nipples on the batsuit by palewook	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:22:45 AM
no way nolan would do that to us.
Robin would never wokr in Nolan's Universe by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:24:09 AM
Just as Penguin, Killer Croc, Clayface, Scarface, Posion Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Bane, Man-Bat. Catwoman could work, I just hope they never try.
And of course I meaned "on his head". by DerLanghaarige	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:25:12 AM
Not "hat".
I'm thinking of Mad Bomber not Toymaker... by Finding Forrestal	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:27:07 AM
Toymaker was the shitty villain on the newer Batman animated series, voiced by Patton Oswalt, if I'm not mistaken.
ROBIN by larryfilmmaker	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:29:58 AM
doing Robin and making him fit into a franchise like Nolan's takes balls and talent. Film (or art) is not about doing what fits and is easy all the time. The greatest films take risks, and Robin is a character that has never been done right before. Kudos to the filmmaker with the balls and talent to make it happen. Remember, at one time... they said Keaton could never work as Batman and Ledger could never work as Joker. Now, they say Robin would never fit. The truth is, "they" say a lot of things.
Clock King, King Tut & Louie The Lilac A Triple Threat of Terror by Its a LION	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:32:25 AM
...I started out serious about the Clock King...... But I made a joke anyway... I might really be crazy.
I don't mean to keep harping on this... by Finding Forrestal	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:33:06 AM
...but Ellen Page would look cute as all hell in a Robin costume. Seriously, just dress her like Miller did in "The Dark Knight Returns." Of course, they would have to cast Clint Eastwood as an aging Bats to really make it work.
Robin's origin story is interesting by JustSomeDude899	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:46:12 AM
But I've always kind of hated him. Seriously, his costume just sucks. Bring on Clayface!
Batman & Robin = Ultimate NAMBLA / Catholic Priest Fantasy by LaserPants	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:48:39 AM
Please dear god please DO NOT INTRODUCE ROBIN INTO THESE NEW FILMS. Please? If I had my druthers, and sadly, I don't, I would have Robin expunged from the DC universe entirely. He's a crappy character, and a deeply uncool homosexual pedophile rape fantasy in speedos and elf shoes. If anyone had any sense, they would retcon him out of the DCU entirely.
If Forbidden Kingdom had to have a dorky kid by Obi_Wan_Guacamoli	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:54:14 AM
why does Bale get to dictate that a DC character who was a major part of the Batman universe be excluded?
Megan Fox as Robin. by UltimaRex	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:55:47 AM
All it takes is a little reading of the material, plot arc and situation. Material: Robin exists and the WB execs / GA will start asking for "him". Plot arc: I haven't seen it yet but if the "Batman fails" thing is true then Bruce will be at that dark, low point at the end of TDK. Situation: The Nolanverse Batman has "realism". So no kids, no teens and no grown men calling themselves "Robin". The only way is a actress just or almost in her twenties. No "gay" shit there. Plus, someone brought up Shia so I thought of Megan. Y'know, as you do...
Robin's New Origin Story by LaserPants	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:56:07 AM
Bruce Wayne, tired of the same old thing, decides to join NAMBLA to just to see what it's like. He goes to a meeting and it feels pretty creepy until Dick walks into the room in his speedos and elf shoes. (cue "At Last (My Love Has Come Along" as sung by Ella Fitzgerald.) Bruce is taken aback by the 14 year old's acrobatic prowess and tight buns. Their eyes meet, and a legend, a deeply creepy and uncool legend, is born. Btw, does anyone else want to start a petition to retcon Robin out of the DCU? I call it the Batman Is Not A Homosexual Pedophile Initiative (BINAHPI) and it needs your help. Please. Give to the cause of saving Batman from NAMBLAfication. Thank you.
Clayface, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, and Scarface COULD all work in by Cannabis Holocaust	Jul 3rd, 2008 05:57:07 AM
Clayface (Basil Karlo) of course wouldn't likely be a giant shapeshifting monster, but he could be portrayed like his original 40's comic appearances where he's a master of disguise who can change appearances and impersonate others with his talent as an actor/make up artist. Pamela Isley could be an eco terrorist who creates various biological weapons and poison. Victor Freeze could be a scientist who uses cryogenic weaponry. And Scarface wouldn't be hard at all, I'd actually love to see what kind of fucking disturbing puppet Nolan would come up with.
If he didn't say it... by DC Films	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:01:43 AM
...then he shoulda done. I like Bale and think he'd agree.
..and who is your intended, Sir? My waaaaarrrrd by Alfred_Packer	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:03:25 AM
..and pretty as a rosebud....
Behave!!! by jimbubble	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:06:23 AM
We all know what happened with the last screen version of Robin! No more flimsy wishy washy faggotry please,this is a Nolan movie after all...Batman is a lone hero and should stay that way in Nolan`s universe! Robin FFS!
Robin would make sense in Nolan's Batman Trilogy by Chishu_Ryu	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:09:47 AM
As it would bring the Master/Disciple stoyline from Batman Begins full circle, where Batman becomes his own version of Rhas, teaching a pupil in the ways of the Bat to purge Gotham of evil. It would bring Batman's origin, featured so prominently in Begins, full circle, as we'd see Wayne projecting his own demons into another child orphaned by the scourge of Gotham, but whom Batman failed to save. And it would be a final evolution of the Batman, into that of a father and a teacher. Of course, the full-fledged red, yellow, and green Robin of the comics or the TV show would never work in Nolan's universe. Robin would have to be done in a more indirect roundabout realistic way, as they've done with Joker. Perhaps never even really showing young Dick Grayson in costume. Either way, Robin is an important element of Batman's universe. He represents Batman's guilt, an element which would fit right in with fear.
might work if batman starts going crazy and robin has to keep hi by angrykirby.tk	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:12:45 AM
you know, like harsh times
Killer Croc and Deadshot were great in Gotham Knight by Cannabis Holocaust	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:14:28 AM
Even though Croc only had a small part. The way they explained his origin (with Scarecrow's involvement) was interesting. And of course Deadshot was a perfect fit.
I agree that Bale would never make a statement like this by Chishu_Ryu	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:17:50 AM
It's not his statement to make, and I can't believe he's that much of an ass to paint Warner Bros. and Nolan into a corner like that.
Gotham Knight torrents are everywhere BTW by Cannabis Holocaust	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:18:50 AM
There were even reports of certain retailers breaking the street date about a week a go and quickly pulling them off the shelves.
Robin the hacker by OfficerBeans	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:21:37 AM
Nolan could make it work. Of course the costume would have to dramatically be changed and I think having him operate in a scout/non-combat capacity would make sense. Maybe give him an Oracle/hacker role.
I LOVE crevices by kafka07	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:21:38 AM

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I'm with Bale on this one... by Ned Pepper	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:23:47 AM
I was sick of Robin by the time I was nine.
Bale's Batman is no Battie Boy by Bobo_Vision	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:25:23 AM
No butt love with young boys for the Dark Knight. Robin worked fine for the campy 60's batman with the zaps and the pows and the bippin' and the boppin', but has no place in Nolan's Gotham.
"Chicks dig the car" by Dr Gregory House	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:30:07 AM
No thank you.
Nolan and Bale NEED to do a Batman/Superman film by Cannabis Holocaust	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:30:16 AM
Seeing as how The Dark Knight is being hailed as the pinnacle of the genre, it could be almost impossible for a 3rd film to match or surpass it. (most superhero franchises get stale by the 3rd film anyway) In order for the sequel to stay just as fresh, they really need to shake things up. It would be a perfect fit for Nolan. There's an infinite amount of psychology and subtext he could explore through these 2 characters and their opposing viewpoints, methodology, camaraderie, antagonism, etc. There's really no reason NOT for them do it.
These movies are not nostalgic by PackyMcCracken	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:34:27 AM
Robin absolutely makes no sense except for the reason he was initially created - to appeal to kids. The character is beloved by comic book fans because he's a part of the mythology. Nolan's approach has been to try to make it all as real world as possible and bachelor Bruce Wayne adopting an 11 year old orphan boy in this post-Michael Jackson day and age would never escape public scrutiny.
The Fall of Beaks! by Sgt.Steiner	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:37:02 AM
All you want to right about is The Dark Knight, while you slam Werner Herzog one column below? You fucking ignorant!
Robin can be done well, but not yet.. by wowsah156	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:49:19 AM
These are the things Nolan needs to focus on: Introducing the Matches Malone persona. The refurbished cave. The new wheels(either Nascar beast crossed with Dragster or keep the "Tank/Tumbler". Grounded villains. Penguin, Mr Zzasz, Riddler (terrorist type Riddler) A really scary Black Mask etc. THEN and only then introduce Robin. The Bat needs that isolation and darkness first before being helped by the presence of Robin.
Bale's Right by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:52:06 AM
I'm a huge Bat Fan but I'll be the first to admit: Robin just doesn't belong in this series. He works pretty well in the comics but there's no way in hell he'd be plausable in Nolans gritty/dangerous world. And Bales Batman is too emotionaly hardened too take on a ward that would be an obvious achilles heel.
The problem of waiting on Robin... by Chishu_Ryu	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:56:43 AM
...is that movies aren't like comics. It takes years to make one film, and one can't expect Bale to keep making one Batman movie after another without getting burned out in the role. Nolan as director included. If the filmmakers don't have otherwise concrete plans for a third film, and if there ever was a plan to introduce some version of Robin, the third film might be the best place to do that. Bale, Nolan, and co. might not be around for a fourth film.
With Bale by Cobbio	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:57:42 AM
I agree with Bale. Robin has obviously been a big part of the Batman universe, but I've never liked him. He's always so... nothing. There's nothing there, just a narrow-shouldered guy in a freakin' orange suit. I know about his backstory, but it's boring compared to Batman's, especially Nolan's Batman. Think about it: The Dark Knight and... Robin? Eww.
Robin sucks ass! by Nico Toscani	Jul 3rd, 2008 06:58:57 AM
I agree with this quote. Please don't ever use Robin in the Nolan films!
Robin sucks girl by sugarbess	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:03:27 AM
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You guys are fucking DUMB by BendersShinyAss	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:03:51 AM
You can't leave Robin OUT of Batman. You sure as fuck can't look to the 60's show as an excuse. If that were the case then you'd be hating on any new attempt at the Joker. I'm not a big fan of Batman begins. I thought it was boring. gritty and dark, yes. interesting, most definately. Captivating? no way. but I enjoy the foundation that it laid down for this next outting, and after seeing the promise of hervey Dent's two face for the next film, I'm sure as hell looking I'm looking forward to seeing how Robin is brought into the fold. If they choose to simply ignor him then they're NOT making batman films. besides, imagine a third or forth film called THE DYNAMIC DUO all you babies saying that the costume wouldn't be any good... I don't care how good this dark knight film ends up being.... that batman costume is fucking horrid
There's only one good reason we won't see Robin anytime soon by cyrent	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:05:30 AM
And that's that Batman needs to be an established Gotham fixture that's seasoned and damaged- and TDK is basically Batman: Year Two. We're nowhere close to Robin yet, maybe four or five films of character development away.
By the way, how to sidestep the pedophilia issue in a script by cyrent	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:10:28 AM
Pretty easy fix, I think, if you're looking for a reason for Bruce Wayne to adopt a disadvantaged orphan boy. You make the Greyson parents personal friends of Bruce, create a connection so that when Dick goes to live with him it's not out of the blue. If you've established Bruce as a godfather figure, then it could work. I'm not sure it's appealing, but at least it doesn't seem perverted even under ridiculous scrutiny (which many of the TBers would apply).
They should make Robin a woman by ThrowMeTheIdol	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:12:07 AM
Seriously. And his eventual love interest.
Memories of murder by BendersShinyAss	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:12:30 AM
not really... but c'mon... 'the dark knight' sounds pretty pretentious. Imagine it in context. especially if they ARE in fact using their dynamics to compliment each other as they fight crime.... you know.... like in the source material honestly, i don't know what you guys want?
look, Bringing in Robin, catwoman and penguine...... by BendersShinyAss	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:13:58 AM
THAT's the challenge people. leave em out and you get batman begins. (fucking hate that film!)
Scarface - ohmeohmy by MonkeyManReturns	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:15:21 AM
Now that I am thinking of it...scarface in a Nolan movie...this would be chilling...really chilling...thats the baby I wanna see. Bale is right and we all know it. Robin has no place here. A movie like this is 2 hrs..there isnt time to introduce and develop Robins character without messing up Nolan's tone. The Robin of the the comic world has had years to develop and even then they change him...and he is unpopular...remember when DC asked the readers if they wanted Robin dead and they all said a collective YES. Let him be. There's no place for a young man in green tights in Hollywood...unless you're also called Robin...Robin Hood that is...hehehe
Anyone who likes Robin doesn't understand Batman at all... by Pagliacci	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:16:59 AM
The whole point of Bruce Wayne is this lonely vengeful SOB who is out to kick the world's ass for taking his parents's lives. Why in the world would that guy take up a boy "sidekick" and put him in jeopardy every time they go out to fight crime? I love the Nolan-verse and agree that not only should they keep out the dopey "magical" villains like Clayface and Man-Bat but also the dopey heroes as well, i.e. Robin, Batgirl, Batwoman, Batdog, Batcat, Batferret, etc. In fact, unless they can think of an excellent plot for a 4th film, they should probably stop with Two-Face in the 3rd. Maybe Black Mask or an obese, billionaire Penguin would work, but even Penguin is stretching it.
there's only one way to make robin work by BendersShinyAss	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:19:33 AM
And that is to have some torturous event which leaves Bruce wayne absolutely NO CHOICE but to take him under his bat wing. In the original comics, bruce made a conscious choice to reveal himself to Dick greyson and train him. If Nolan can't do that in his vision of batman then he's as useless as sam raimie
As long as they have the Hans Zimmer score in the background by Chishu_Ryu	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:19:59 AM
You can probably get away with anything. In fact, if Robin were to be intro'd, the music might have to take on more of a role, so that the concept doesn't seem so silly. It worked for the silly child Bruce scenes in Begins.
Freddie Highmore!!! by Larry Sellers	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:23:12 AM
We're going to see how Batman feels about fellow vigilantes in The Dark Knight. And then we'll all know that Robin doesn't belong on film. It kind of worked in Batman Forever but only because they made Dick Grayson 30 years old or something. Batgirl would be interesting...but these characters all came along at times when it was necessary to appeal to certain demographics. Robin brings in the kiddies, Batgirl & Batwoman to make sure women have some representation, Batmite for the growing Imp population. These films carry a weight to them, and I'd hate for them to be lightened by a character that is sillier in theory now than ever. Also, there are enough characters so far to keep up with and who knows what new ones will be kept as regulars after TDK?
What Would Dolemite Do? by darquelyte	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:24:44 AM
I think he'd say: I got your "Boy Wonder," you no-business, born insecure, jock-jawed, mutha fuckas!
Damn You Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:26:48 AM
Damn You Michael Bay
haha by BendersShinyAss	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:34:06 AM

Agree with Bale 100% by fitz-hume	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:34:13 AM
Robin would undermine the credibility of Nolan's Batman. It would make it too cartoonish.
Nolan won't do another film anyway by the_scream	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:36:05 AM
Read every interview. He wasn't even that keen to do TDK at the start. He's made the best Batman film he knows how to make now. Now he will move on and make other films. We'll get stuck with another hack director like Ratner pulling the third film out his arse. Then everyone will be screaming for another reboot.
Crevices?... by Kid Z	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:37:39 AM
...Only if you're using that word as some sort of hip, new slang for "kooch".
Robin could work... by Sailor Rip	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:37:49 AM
...if done by a director who actually cared about the character and wasn't afraid to take some chances. Nolan is such a "play it safe" pussy when it come to these films.
Roland Emmerich's 2012, which I read today by Trazadone	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:39:02 AM
Big deal, I just read the Shazam! script and it will blow your mind.
so many robin wanters....why? by zom-bot.com	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:40:59 AM
maybe if the nolan series stretched to 10 flicks. do you really think the tortured, unsure of himself batman is going to take in a robin in his first year? now, if he wanted to make sure that the kid from the narrows in BB(named JASON, btw- a reference to jason todd- the robin from the streets)had his education or life paid for in safety since his parents are now M.I.A, sort of be like a 'bg brother' as bruce wayne- that would be fine. we can assume down the line he will become robin. we don't NEED TO see this happen in batman's first fucking year. it didn't happen that way in comics, and seems even less plausible now.
Robin Would Work If They Just Skipped the Whole 'Robin' Thing by kevinwillis.net	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:42:17 AM
I mean, skip the name, skip the suit. Have him be Bruce Wayne's ward, Dick Grayson, who over the course of the movie stumbles onto his secret and, at the end, ends up saving Batman. Then in the next movie, he ends up suiting up in some of bat's equipment (sans cowl) to go help/save Batman, and he gets killed in the process. Then the whole Robin arc is taken care of, without having a gay suit in or ever calling Dick Grayson 'Robin'.
Damn you Joel Schumacher by Chishu_Ryu	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:43:01 AM

Problem with Robin... by BizarroJerry	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:43:59 AM
I think the bigger problem behind the Robin character is the idea that he would be allowed to adopt the kid, or make him his "ward", whatever that is. The irresponsible and single playboy act that BW puts on wouldn't make him seem like a very suitable person to adopt the kid. But, to even possibly make it work somehow, you'd have to make Robin, say, 15 or 16 years old. O'Donnell was just a bad idea. Much too old, and they acted as if he was a teenager. Just dumb. Maybe if you had him as troubled kid who Batman kinda feels sorry for, who goes off on his own acting like a vigilante. Maybe Bruce stops him in the movie, and the kid only fights crime temporarily, and isn't his official partner. We've gotten a different version of other characters. Why not tweak Robin a bit?
In Fact, Batgirl Would Work by kevinwillis.net	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:45:05 AM
If it was an arc involving Barbara Gordon, a long arc. Start out introducing her in the 3rd movie, have her find out about Bruce Wayne in the 5th. That sort of thing. One of the many failings of the 80s/90s Batman movies is they got in to big a hurry to cram everything into them, and especially the bad-guy team up thing. Two face and the riddler? Aw, jeeze.
I could make Robin work in the Batman Begins universe. by rev_skarekroe	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:49:45 AM
Seriously. Christopher Nolan, write me care of AICN. We'll talk.
Robin is a KID. Never work with kids or monkeys. by knowthyself	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:50:27 AM
If you don't want to see Batman turn into Spiderman 3. Leave Robin to Joel Schumacher.
so will the next one be 2face and riddler by seabiscuits	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:52:03 AM
or will that be too much like batman 3, in which it also is the 3rd batman in this series. probly will be riddler, two face as the vigilante turning villain and introduce a 3rd villain maybe catwoman? adding a girl in their would be more effective than a third guy, or a fourth if you count a joker cameo or a fifth if you count a scarecrow cameo, and then catwoman can show up fully in part 4 which would also introduce penguin, but that'd be too much like batman returns, so maybe part 4 would be about mr freeze, but that would be too much like batman and robin. maybe they should just give up.
Robin sucks by GrubStreeter	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:53:24 AM
Even as a kid I knew he was lame. I prefer a solo Batman - gotta agree with Bale on this one.
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Chiiilllll Ooouuutttttt by Thorstrongstone	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:58:39 AM
You know what the Batman needs? Nipples.
Good for Bale! by fiester	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:58:59 AM
Robin sucks. And it's completely against everything Nolan is trying to do with this grittier world he's createf ro these flicks.
There's nothing inherently wrong with Robin by Nasty In The Pasty	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:59:01 AM
done correctly, he's every bit as important to the Batman mythos as Batman himself.
introduce robin at the end of part 5 by seabiscuits	Jul 3rd, 2008 07:59:55 AM
batmans too early in his development to get robin, you could at least make 3 more movies before he joins in, but give him a black suit and call him 'lil Wing or something.
Nolan and Bale both aren't interested in Robin by Oski	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:02:21 AM
I'm pretty sure they have both talked about this before.
Would like to see Robin, but would prefer Batgirl by SpyGuy	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:02:48 AM
Anne Hathaway, anyone?
"Chicks dig the car" by Nasty In The Pasty	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:06:48 AM
"This is why Superman always works alone"
Night Wing > Robin by knowthyself	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:07:07 AM
Skip robin and go straight to night Wing.
Let's split the difference and have a female Robin by jdl82	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:07:34 AM
Seriously, why does R have to be a boy? I kinda liked it when the Spoiler took up the R mantel. Anyway, the entire premise of a R just wouldn't fit into the Nolanverse. I mean, why would Nolan's responsible, realistic Batman take a little kid and dress him (or her!) up in a helmet-less, bright red and green outfit? That's ridiculous. "Say, Batman, when do I get sleeves and a helmet?" "When you grow up, chum!"
How about an actual bird. by Dingbatty	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:07:47 AM
Have it be a robin that is adopted by his pet bats? Seriously...Robin's outfit is the way it is because it was a rip off of the outfits worn by the Arborians in Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon comic strip. The Arborians were sort of like Robin Hood and his Merry Men.
batman and hancock by seabiscuits	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:08:02 AM

They can't do Batgirl... by Nasty In The Pasty	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:08:02 AM
...they briefly showed Gordon's daughter in BB, and she looked about eight years old. Unless they jump ahead ten years, Batgirl's not gonna happen.
Thank god. by Halloween68	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:12:34 AM
That's part of what killed the original BATMAN franchise. That and Time Burton leaving. I've never liked Robin. I've always felt he's the family fun part of BATMAN. And who wants that in BATMAN. I even hated Robin as a kid. Only ever thought he belonged in the hokey 60s TV series. Robin dilutes the whole idea of Batman. He certainly doesn't belong Nolan's BATMAN.
Banner Ads on AICN by Darth_Valinorean	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:12:37 AM
AICN: we, as fans of the site, are pretty loyal. But lately, the advertising on the site is getting a bit much. And now on this page, about Bale and his NO to Robin, there is an ad for a Toyota Highlander???? Are you kidding me? I understand the ads for movies, action figures, movie related stuff. But for a f'n car/suv? Are you kidding? Don't destroy the site and be careful - the last thing you want is to have your audience rebel and just go to another site. News is not captive. Not all the contributors to AICN are equally good and nto all the reviews are worth reading - but there is enough great stuff that folks like me, come to AICN every single day and mostly several times a day to check on news. That should be the focus. Not getting more car ads which are annoying. How about some steps in the right direction?
oh wow.. Cat food ad???? by Darth_Valinorean	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:13:19 AM
ARE YOU FCKING KIDDING WITH THE READERS OF AICN ???? FCKING CAT FOOD??? WHAT NEXT? CAT POOP DISPOSAL??? MAKES LOGICAL SENSE.
I thought by ghost_matt	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:15:49 AM
Nolan already said in an interview after Batman Begins came out that he would never have Robin because he didn't know what the psychology would be for someone who dresses up in circus clothes and fights crime.
Robin = Batman by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:20:53 AM
in plausibility. it just has to be handled well, just like anything else.
as long as he's not red/yellow, but darker and twisted then yes! by donwillymo	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:21:59 AM

Batman does NOT dress like a bat by jdl82	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:22:07 AM
Who ever said he does? I mean, who here thinks anything besides his cape even remotely resembles a bat? Dude looks like a demon, and I like it like that. That's what makes him such a great hero: he dresses like a villain. Horns on his head, spikes on his arm, armor, glowing eyes, and a police utility belt.
About the stupid ads on AICN by DerLanghaarige	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:23:03 AM
I use Adblock and haven't seen any ad on this site since two years or so, so I don't care.
one way to pull it off by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:23:14 AM
would be to have Robin training in the cave for an entire movie. maybe bring him out at the end. maybe. but if we see the time and effort Bats puts into training him it would seem less crazy to have him actually go out and fight alongside Batman.
a robin without a costume but just helps behind the scenes yes!! by donwillymo	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:23:29 AM

David Cloverfield by batzilla	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:23:48 AM
I hope they dont try a Robin in the 3rd (or ANY of the future movies) but if they do, your idea is the best I have read so far. That COULD potentially work and it wouldn't be over powering either. Good idea!
They won't use the name robin but his real name yes!!! by donwillymo	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:24:38 AM

Thanks to Nolan, I forgot Robin existed by godzillasushi	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:25:35 AM
And that pleases me immensly! Just shows you how good the movies are. At least compared to the neon lighted crap that came out years before.
CPS just wouldn't allow it by jdl82	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:26:36 AM
Wayne was portrayed to the world as a womanizing orphan who got drunk and burnt down his own home in BB. Now if he were gay, too, CPS might allow it.
a robin kind of like justin long in die hard type, maybe! by donwillymo	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:26:41 AM

MEGAN'S BACK OFF HER HOLS TO DICTATE WISDOM by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:28:03 AM
FOR YOU ROBIN-WANTING MASSES! Robin should NOTT be in the next Batman film. Christian Bale is 100% right. Two-Face will be dishing out rough justice. And Riddler, with his superiority complex and green tie will--if Batman fails to solve his riddles--cause more shit than the Joker. That will be enough. Robin's arc is predictable, boring, and unnecessary. Fuck the Foxx herself, don't you ROBIN-WANTERS want to see Batman do some things by himself?
AIN'T IT OLD NEWS. by Redfive!	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:29:17 AM
both Bale and Nolan said this when Begins was made.
Speaking of Batman 3 (with Nolan) by batzilla	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:29:50 AM
I wonder how it could possibly live up to The Dark Knight? It seems like TDK is going to be a kick as movie (no doubt to me anyways) so I wonder what Nolan will do with the 3rd movie. I was also thinking that maybe the Joker doesn't die in TDK as to leave the possibility open for Heath to continue his role as the Joker for the 3rd. I also heard Michael Cain make the comment in an interview that he thinks some other actor COULD play the Joker for the 3rd movie (hinting that this was the original plans of Nolan) and that Heath would have wanted it to happen. Something along those lines anyways.
Of Course It Could Be Done... by TroutMaskReplicant	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:33:11 AM
Just as Batman's activities help encourage villains to put on crazy costumes, other's try to become caped crusaders with disastrous results (shades of Watchmen and even...um...Kick-Ass). Batman has a run in with a masked thief, who acts like Robin Hood, stealing from the mob to give to the poor. He's rejected by Batman, creates the Nightwing persona. Et cetera, et cetera. Perhaps it ends tragically. It can be done within the Nolan Batverse. Even the Robin name. For instance Wolverine in The Singer X-Men films rarely called himself that by name. It was implied. Films needn't be so literal. Sometimes they benefit from being quite the opposite. I bet Harvey Dent rarely calls himself Two-Face in The Dark Knight.
Robin doesn't fit into Nolan's universe as he exists... by rbatty024	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:33:56 AM
in the comics. I like the idea of Robin and I think he adds a lot to the psychology of Bruce Wayne, but he works better for the comics than the movies. It is interesting to see Bruce, who had his family torn from him, create a new family centered around his crime fighting life. However, there's plenty that can be done in these films without bringing Robin into them. A prepubescent boy fighting crime in a bright red and green costume doesn't look so great on screen.
Kill Him by Bumpasses Dawg	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:36:05 AM
It might work if Grayson is somewhat forced on Wayne, discovers his secret, and shows up out of the blue in a brightly colored red and yellow outfit of his design into a battle with some serious psychos - then gets brutally murdered. That would f up Batman's mind even more.
Question reg. Batman Forever by jdl82	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:37:32 AM
This is irrelevant, but did anyone else notice that the bird painted on Dick's motorcycle helmet was a cardinal, not a robin like he said it was? Just wondering.
Robin in Batman? by WhoDis	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:39:34 AM
What's next? Orko in He-Man? Seven in Married With Children? Poochy on Itchy & Scratchy?
Robin was a sales tool by sundancekeed	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:40:01 AM
for the comics to pull in younger readers. What was he, 9 or 10 initially? And several other posters have already noted that if the movies followed the storyline of the comics, just like in The Dark Knight Returns, Batman would be facing child endangerment charges and I don't think even Gordon would put up with putting a kid in harm's way. And contrary to some comics readers, I always thought Robin/Nightwing/Grayson/Todd/w hoever detracted from the essence of who Batman was. The entire idea of Batman is that he's been forced by circumstances to be an outsider. He simply doesn't relate well to people at all. He protects them but he's apart from them. The only person he can have a real conversation with is Alfred and even those conversations are primarily about the work. Bruce Wayne/Batman is a tortured, borderline dysfunctional human being. Let the movies tell Wayne's story. You don't need to introduce a kid into the mix. The only way I could see this working in Nolan's universe at all would be to start with Grayson/Nightwing. Dick Grayson is already either in or just out of college. Explain the similarities in Grayson's and Wayne's backgrounds and have Nightwing be sort of a parallel to Batman but maybe without the same moral code as Batman. Maybe even a villain. Now that might be an interesting story. Batman seeing a younger version of himself and maybe wanting to dissuade Grayson from the path he's on before he becomes what Wayne is.
Scrappy in Scooby-Do? by WhoDis	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:40:04 AM
hee hee ho!
Slow news day, eh? by WickedJester	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:42:08 AM

Robin could work as long as he's Spidey3 Emo looking.. by WickedJester	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:47:53 AM

I mean by WickedJester	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:49:02 AM
That is how a teen who's parents died would look nowadays... Batman only wears guyliner when he's in costume, Robin would all the time.
remember when spawn and batman teamed up by donwillymo	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:49:55 AM

So... by DocPazuzu	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:49:58 AM
...BendItLikeShinysAss is a Robin fan. What a shocker.
as long as he doesn't have that emo haircut with hair covering e by donwillymo	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:50:57 AM

yes by donwillymo	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:51:11 AM

No Penguin, no Robin by Crimson Dynamo	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:51:35 AM
a Joker with worse make-up than Cesar Romero's, I'm sure Clayface and Mr. Freeze are out of the question - really, what's the point of even calling it Batman? There has to be X amount of silliness to it because it's based on a comic book. The problem is, the Adam West and Schumaker versions went to far with the silliness, while Nolan, as a reaction, is going too far with the seriousness. Batman should lie somewhere inbetween.
may like a prestige story where they were cool then hated each o by donwillymo	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:52:50 AM

ther by donwillymo	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:53:09 AM

don't get it... by dingus khan	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:53:43 AM
people on this website always tag the phrase "...if it's done right" onto their ideas. "robin could be cool...if it's done right." it wouldn't be done right in this series...the 2nd movie is completed. the third movie (if it's even done by bale and nolan) will be bale and nolan's last batman movie (i would think). they can't introduce robin, wedge him into the movie continuity, leave time and space for the villain(s) development, AND have it be good. this entire post is A.) a waste of time, and B.) an outlet for fanboys to cheese out over the most anticipated movie of the summer. I CANNOT FUCKING WAIT FOR THIS MOVIE.
because robin fucked an escape trick up and killed batmans bitch by donwillymo	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:53:59 AM

STEFAN DENNIS FOR THE RIDDLER! by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:56:48 AM
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tim burton wanted marlon wayans to be robin by seabiscuits	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:58:53 AM
he got paid for part 2 3 and 4 and wasn't even in them.
IF- I say- IF by zom-bot.com	Jul 3rd, 2008 08:59:49 AM
warner decodes to continue this vision of a gotham universe after nolan retires after a third one (which would be disrespectful on warner's part, but you know they will keep milking batman)- and they get a competent director and writer(s), and they still feel like including robin- he should be a poor kid from the wrong side of the tracks, a diamond in the rough, maybe batman catches him doing something on a slow crime day (stealing hubcaps,hacking an atm?)that bats/bruce decides to make a project and follow up on. maybe the kid resents the attention at first, but batman shows up at some point every day- at a window at night to remind him to do homework, catching him skipping school. this shouldn't be the crux of the movie, but scattered breaks in the dark action. bruce needs to play the big brother or father figure for his own sanity, doing so cleanses him of the day's dark crime fighting. To the kid, like i said, it's a pain in the ass, but eventually he gets used to it. then there's a night where batman doesn't show up. the kid is agitated, worried. he uses the police scanner (that he already had as a juvi criminal, or that batman gave him to listen to)and finds out that there is some big shit going down and reports of the batman having been seen entering a building before it exploded or something to that effect.) then ensues some event where the kid- using some streetsmarts or hacking or questionable legal means does end up either rescueing or secreting batman away before he is discovered or killed or something. i'll leave that up to the good writers. In the end batman decides to dub the kid a junior batman or something, but no costume, no admission to the batcave, maybe just a ride home in the batmobile and an agreement to keep in touch. Batman still checks up on him, and bruce anonymously opens an account in the boy's name, giving him enough money to go to college and get by but never have to turn to crime. THAT's as much robin as i want.
Robin vs No Robin by Geekhaterssuck	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:04:47 AM
I think the movies will be just fine with no Robin. Plenty of good stories have been told with and without Robin in the comics. The darker tone and constant jeopardy that seems to be the theme of the Nolan films has really no place for a "teen sidekick." I am not a "Robin hater." I think the character has added quite a bit to the "Bat-verse" over the years but even today he is not in every single issue of Batman or Detective Comics so there is simply no great need for the character in the Nolan movies. Batman has a support system in place in these movies with Alfred and Lucius Fox, and an ally in Gordon. Robin is just simply not necessary.
when used wisely- by zom-bot.com	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:05:00 AM
robin represents what could have happened to a young bruce wayne if he hadn't had the wealth and support structure Bruce had when he was a kid. batman/bruce feels compelled to take car of this kid, but is it out of kindness, or a way of dealing with his personal issues of wealth-guilt, and reliving his missing childhood?
Evan Rachel Wood for Selina/Catwoman!! by CarmillaVonDoom	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:05:31 AM
Just had to get that in there. ;P
Bring in Catwoman by Mosquito March	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:07:37 AM
As much as I liked Michelle Pfeifer, this character is long, long overdue for a faithful adaptation, and as a non-super-power character, she could easily fit into Nolan's and Bale's Battyverse. If they turn Two Face into a full-on villain and have Catwoman getting in Batman's way, they could finally save the character from the campy hell she's been wasting away in since she was created.
Batman is a sales tool, too. by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:07:44 AM
just so you all know.
Maybe by rogueleader66	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:08:25 AM
If they went the way of Nightwing, but Robin the boy wonder really does not have a place in this Batman series, unless it can fit in properly, which at this point I can't see, but stranger things have come to pass, so only time will tell. A top notch actor would be needed if they were to put Nightwing into the movies though.
Ellen Page as Robin by RobotDevil007	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:10:14 AM
Best image in my head in quite a while. Thanks.
Good to see that by Series7	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:14:39 AM
Tom Wilkson carried his Batman character over to Snatch 3 (Lock Stock 3? Snatch 2? whatever). I just hope that if there is a Robin, he's British because no one can do the most American super hero like the blimy brits. Never understood why G.I. Joe gets the real American Hero tag? Maybe it was when they first came out, but now its pretty obvious that they are a multi cultural orgainzation. Superman is from space, and Batman is from New York. There is so much cross-pollenization between USA and UK, you'd almost think that we came from them.
RobotDevil007 by Series7	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:17:18 AM
Naw man, Ellen is too manish to play Robin. It'd have to be someone a little more feminine... and British!
it COULD NOT be done... by jimmy_009	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:17:28 AM
...Robin does NOT fit in the Batman universe, especially not the one Nolan's created. I never understood why they felt they had to give the most badass superhero a sidekick. So pointless.
Batman:TAS's Alfred by zom-bot.com	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:18:44 AM
i also liked the idea of Alfred being some retired british secret service or something. that he has more up his sleeve and in his past that even bruce knows, but his parents did. that at one time alfred was more than just a butler but an advisor and perhaps bodyguard to his father.
Yes, Gatsby. by sundancekeed	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:19:59 AM
Batman was a sales tool. As is every comics character. They want you to buy the book based on the character. Robin was designed to broaden Batman comics sales base. Feel better?
he fits in pretty well, i'd say. by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:23:53 AM
he's been there for 60 years. you need a character to balance out Bats, or he goes off the deep end. he needs someone to care about, or else he's just the Punisher who breaks bones instead of killing people. which can be cool, for some stories. but saying that Robin does't fit into his universe, or even into the Nolan universe, is a stretch. does he belong there yet? no. but i think they will need him if this series keeps on for a few more movies.
sundancekeed by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:24:51 AM
couldn't have said it better myself. thanks.
Add to Friends by Series7	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:29:17 AM
I remember after seeing Batman and Robin and my buddies and I were talking about what could they possibly do next (and which soulfool R and B star would sing the theme song). We always joked that Alfred was going to start going on adventures with them, in a little rocket powered wheel chair. Do you think all the other Batman's get invited to the press screenings of any of the new Batmans? I mean wouldn't it be awesome to have all the actors who played Batman sit around and talk about how cool George Clooney is (oops sorry was thinking like George Clooney there for a second), I mean talk trash about the new Batman and how they were better? I wonder if they get invited at all? It would be a cool thing to see all the actors who've played Batman at every new opening of Batman (until Val Kilmer gets too fat to walk). Or do you think that they are all too Diva like (Clooney...probably Kilmer) to show up to it? You know Adam West will, shit you could probably tell him that he actually is Batman in this newest movie. Just wouldn't it be cool to go to the premiere and there sitting together is all the Batman including Kevin Conroy, and throw Burt Ward and Mark Hamil in for fun? I know that that isn't the point of the new Batman's, but come on without those there wouldn't be this.
no robin! nightwing?... maybe by Jonny_boba	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:31:35 AM
i hope this is true in all honesty. The two new films are so much about batman HIMself and the problems HE faces a think that having to write in a whole origin story for a sidekick for this kind of go it alone batman would not work at all, if they decide to do anything at all with the character i would hope that it would just be an appearance of dick and him listening to advice bruce gives him and then leaves to become nightwing but definately no robin it just reminds us to much of the 60's and unfortunately of chris odonnel
The problem ,once Robin is introduced ... by Rameses	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:31:54 AM
Is that all the action starts to centre around , Batman and him saving each other.It always does...Robin saves Batman during an alley fight that gets out of hand...then Robin is kidnapped by Joker/Mr Freeze/Penguin etc..and Batman has to save him.They can't think beyond that storyline!
Batman Beyond by Sparhawk38	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:32:18 AM
Am I the only guy who liked this cartoon? I loved the bitter, cranky, kick ass/old batman. Oh...and no Robin for these movies, please. The next movie..Bat 3...will be a tough one to make after this one. I am afraid it will be tough to top. And...am the only one that doesn't completely love M. Caine as Alfred? I think he is a legendary actor and certainly does not significantly hurt the movie, but there is something about his dialogue or his portrayal that misses a little for me.
fingers crossed Black Robin by johnyaztec	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:33:37 AM
How about a Black Robin? They could get Nick Cannon or Omar Epps to play him? I would love to see a street smart Robin thats know kung fu and talks give.
One of the things I enjoy about Nolan's Batman is that.... by rbatty024	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:34:46 AM
he's actually interested in the character of Batman/Bruce Wayne. You could tell Burton was far more interested in the villains than the hero and Schumacker didn't have an idea in his head. Adding Robin takes away from the main character. Let's focus on Batman and avoid creating a Bat-Family.
I don't know how many of these they plan on making by canopus	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:34:59 AM
But it might be cool to introduce Dick Grayson in the final one, Bruce Wayne takes on a young ward after his parents die tragically. That way, you give a nod to the character, without really ever having to actually have him in the movies.
I think if Nolan and Bale come back for a third... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:36:10 AM
...I imagine they might go this route: They will introduce Robin's character early on but he will never actually become Robin in the film. (Considering the age difference between the two characters, it's much too early for him to be partnering up with Batman.) However, I can totally see them doing something like the way they introduced the Joker at the very end of BATMAN BEGINS. It's not a big unveiling but more of a foreshadowing; a hint of great things to come. With that in mind... ...I've thought for awhile now that they might do the same for the Batmobile. I always viewed the Tumbler as the chassis or starting point for the more trademark/recognizable Batmobile. How cool would it be to have the final shot of the third film be a big smile on Bruce Wayne's face as he sees the all new, sleeker Batmobile for the first time?
I agree with everyone on an Ellen Page Robin. by Mosquito March	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:37:01 AM
She would make an excellent Dick Grayson.
Can't say I blame him if he did say it. by Dragon Man	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:37:22 AM
Robin was intended to be a plot device to lighten up Batman and make him more palatible for kids. Once he's introduced, the edginess and darkness will be muted.
bring Robin in just to kill him! by BMacSmith	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:40:15 AM
he sucks
If you write comics, and you put Robin in one of your stories... by Autodidact	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:41:50 AM
... then you just don't get Batman. Yes, even Frank Miller. He used to g

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