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I hear they actually show movies before sunset.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Aug 31st, 2008
06:52:40 PM
Individual tickets go on sale September 3rd..
by BigTuna
Aug 31st, 2008
06:55:15 PM
not the 24th.
Red is playing L.A. right now
by psychedelic
Aug 31st, 2008
07:02:42 PM
It's at a small out of the way theatre. Maybe it'll open wider later. You'd think it would premiere in Toronto.
This got big pretty fast...
by DanielKurland
Aug 31st, 2008
07:50:07 PM
I went for free two years ago.
RIP Killer Kowalski...
by Pennsy
Aug 31st, 2008
11:02:49 PM
The famous wrestler passed on this morning at the age of 81. He had a stroke on 8/8 and was taken off life support. :|
I have never really 'got' film festivals
by worldofwarcraft
Sep 1st, 2008
12:07:00 AM
Whats the whole idea behind them? Are the movies exclusive or something?
I'm in Toronto
by Jubba
Sep 1st, 2008
12:15:21 AM
You guys should pay for me to go and I'll review the movies for ya. Deal?
Trailer Park Of Terror...
by DerLanghaarige
Sep 1st, 2008
02:03:29 AM
...has been removed from the line up of the German Fantasy Film Fest, after people complained about what a shitty trainwreck the movie was. Don't know if it's really that bad, but it's an interesting story anyway :D
BTW, did I ever mention how much I love Toronto?
by DerLanghaarige
Sep 1st, 2008
08:30:02 AM
Probably the greatest city in the world. (Note: I don't travel much, but that doesn't mean that Toronto isn't great. I just hate how Canadians pronounce it. Sounds like "Turahno".)
Mirage Man is gonna own
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 1st, 2008
03:21:10 PM
Kiltro was fuckin weak though. Except that one scene with the heel blades. Those sounds they made? That shit was the mad notes.
Never been to Toronto though
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 1st, 2008
03:23:07 PM
I have been wanting to go to Canada for years. I have loved every Canadian I ever met. The friendliest people ever. So far at least. I'm sure there are a few assholes in Canada.
Love that trailer
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
03:47:29 PM
Looks like tons o'fun. I hope that many people here get to go to that so that I can live vicariously through their experiences.
Fred was in Toronto last year
by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar
Sep 1st, 2008
03:57:52 PM
It is a very nice city, very, very. Lots of things to do and see there. It is very expensive though. Fred went to Niagara falls on drive back home.
ThereWolf (when you find us)
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
04:00:29 PM
Thanks for the info. I have a copy of it on hold at the library now. Looks like they have several books by Jasper Fforde. Cool! I need a new series to get hooked on!
Sup Fred, Mavra?
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
04:01:25 PM
Just watched Babylon, A.D.
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
04:04:08 PM
It wasn't that bad. Anyone see it yet?
Hi, Herb
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
04:04:41 PM
Nice sunshiny day to talk about After Dark Film Fests. Did you watch the trailer?
No,
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
04:06:02 PM
I guess I should.
Did you watch "Hansel and Gretel" yet?
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
04:07:44 PM
I haven't seen "Babylon A.D." What's it about, basically?
Hey, Fred
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
04:10:07 PM
Was Niagra Falls as cool as everyone says? Too bad it's illegal to go over it in a barrel now. Not that I'd be crazy enough to do that, probably, but I am sadistic enough to watch some other fool try it.
Niagara
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
04:10:56 PM
oops!
Mavra...
by ThereWolf
Sep 1st, 2008
04:11:20 PM
You'll love Jasper Fforde. Lead character in 'The Eyre Affair' is called Thursday Next. Cracks me up everytime I hear that name. But you make me think of her, for some crazy reason. There have been sequels but I can't recall them without checking.

Where's the rest of the CoC then?

Apologies to the Toronto TB'ers. None of that has anything to do with Toronto.

Yep, the trailer looks sweet.
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
04:11:26 PM
Mavra Chang
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
04:15:41 PM
The funny thing is that Babylon A.D is basically Riddick Part 3. Vin Diesel as a badass in the future fighting the powers that be. If he had funky eyes, you would never have been able to tell the difference. Did you watch the Riddick movies yet?
ThereWolf
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
04:17:29 PM
I think they are still discussing Sagan. I was hoping to change that topic, but gave it up. Thurday Next is a cool name. I saw several of Fforde's books listed on the library website with that name in the title. I have to wait until tomorrow for them to open , though.

These films look very interesting, but they probably won't make it to the theaters here. I'll have to catch them on video, most likely.

Herb
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
04:21:03 PM
Watched part of "Pitch Black", but fell asleep (not because of the movie). I have a lot of catching up to do with these, but it is a challenge I am ready to undertake, if I can make myself stop 'talking' long enough to focus on them!
kungfuhustler84 is so fucking right!
by DerLanghaarige
Sep 1st, 2008
04:22:00 PM
Canadians are the nicest people in the whole world! Even in a big city like Toronto strangers suddenly greet you nicely and ask if you need help (if you look like that). And no, none of these people stole my moneybag.
I just hope that I will one day have the chance to live there!
Trailer...
by ThereWolf
Sep 1st, 2008
04:22:42 PM
does indeed look to contain some interesting stuff. Too fast and too short, though.

Mavra - the Thursday Next books go Eyre Affair, Lost In A Good Book, Well Of Lost Plots, Something Rotten & First Among Sequels.

Are there longer clips of these films anywhere?
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
04:33:20 PM
I'd like to get a better look at them also. The theaters here will take up 7 or 8 screens between three separate locations (they all have the same owner) for a single title. Doesn't leave much room for the indie films, so they don't usually even pass this way. You'd think a college town would be more open to that sort of thing.

Thanks, Wolf. Got that list organized! I queue the library like some of you queue Netflix.

Apparently,
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
04:52:52 PM
Everyone is still at the Riddick TB.
Herb
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
04:56:51 PM
I peeked in over there, but I'm not planning on getting back into it. Too nice a day to argue and debate politics and quantum physics. How many films have you watched so far?
HODs ?
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
05:01:32 PM
Buppah Rahtree...
by ThereWolf
Sep 1st, 2008
05:02:48 PM
Watched this movie earlier, at Jonah's behest - on the same site as Hansel & Gretel. Pretty good. I tried to give his Nezzula Rat Monster another go but gave up again; looks like a bunch of cut scenes for a video game thrown together.
Yes.
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
05:03:30 PM
Sorry I didn't clarify that. My bad!
I watched Machine Girl and Shinobi
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
05:04:11 PM
of HOD's so far.
I'm close to the end of "Machine Girl"
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
05:10:23 PM
Just passed the part of the chainsaw foot. I had to go back some because one of the boys came in and started watching with me. He's waiting for me to finish so he can borrow it.
Machine Girl
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
05:19:23 PM
Is gret morbid ridiculous fun. Where is HOD anyway?
Finished it!
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
05:20:28 PM
That was a fun movie! I think the big discussions on them start tomorrow. Did you like "Shinobi"?

Btw, the second person I loaned "The Host" to said she cried at the ending. Wow! She seriously got into that one!

Herb
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
05:21:21 PM
He said he had to mow his lawn. Lucky me...I have a kid here to do it!
HOD's Asian Delight...
by ThereWolf
Sep 1st, 2008
05:23:45 PM
I have yet to receive my movie package, so can't join in any discussions. Bah!
ThereWolf
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
05:27:10 PM
I thought you'd have then by now. I will try to avoid spoilers. From what I've seen so far, you are in for a great time. Suspend your notions of reality and just settle in for the fun.
Mavra
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 1st, 2008
05:27:36 PM
you and I have never talked I think. Howdy! So what was the highlight for you of Machine Girl? The junior high ninjas were pretty hilarious, but I also liked the tempura hand with the shrill, eerie giggling.
Shinobi
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
05:29:42 PM
I found Shinobi a little bit hard to follow at times. It seemed more comic bookish than horror. I'll have to give it another chance. Though it did have some interesting CGI.
Hey, Kungfu! (ThereWolf, don't peek!)
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
05:35:20 PM
Hello yourself! I loved the first tryouts of the machinegun on the red ninja menace. It was "Kill Bill", "Army of Darkness", and "Return of the Living Dead" all rolled into one big gory mess of action!

Most diffcult scene to watch (for me):Drillbra. OUCH!!!!

Loved the little bloopers where she's fighting and you see her left hand and also the "football" ninjas of vengeance. Gotta ask, though, if she thinks they have bullet-proof vests, why not aim for the head or legs (plus one guy wasn't even wearing a shirt), but that's just nit-picking. I give the movie an A all around!

Gonna put "Shinobi" in next.
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
05:39:14 PM
May wait a few more minutes til my nephew collects his fee and flees. Don't want to be conned into giving him too many movies at once.
Me too Mavra
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 1st, 2008
05:42:57 PM
I also really liked the opening scene where she was beating up those teenagers. Some of that shit was completely unexpected and I couldn't help but laugh my ass of at their misfortune. That and Warlords (not sure you got that one?) were my two favorites of the first batch of movies. In terms of madness, it's sheer brilliance
KungFu
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
05:50:41 PM
I have "Warlords" too, but, like I said, I'm behind most of you guys. So many wonderful movies this weekend between HOD and the Asain Horror site and some other, non-Asian I was guided to ("May" was one), it's been a full film option weekend.
Besides the Host and MG,
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
05:52:15 PM
did anyone get any movies that were dubbed in English?
Mavra
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
05:54:28 PM
I did that too. I just happened to find a lot of cool movies in the last 3 or 4 days and have been trying to watch them all.
Now I can watch "Shinobi"
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
05:57:48 PM
Onward with the agenda!
Oh man I have a ton of movies to watch
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 1st, 2008
06:04:28 PM
Tonight Mofrees (my girlfriend's TB name back when she actually wrote on here too) and I are gonna watch the puppet movie strings and probably Envy (just cause she's a huge Christopher Walken fan). I still am planning on watching all of HOD's movies as soon as possible, as well as rewatching Lady Vengeance (Mofrees just saw Oldboy for the first time a few weeks ago and I thought she should watch the whole trilogy) and I'm rewatching Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead, just because I fucking adore Tim Roth and Gary Oldman.
I finally finished Sukiyaki Western Django yesterday
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 1st, 2008
06:05:33 PM
what a movie. Maybe my favorite of everything I have seen so far.
Come
by mofreesfreckles
Sep 1st, 2008
06:09:14 PM
ride bikes with me now, please. We have things to do.
Hahaha you heard the lady
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 1st, 2008
06:10:13 PM
off to the park. Later.
Herb, you liked Babylon AD??
by the milf lover
Sep 1st, 2008
07:52:26 PM
wow.. good for you if you did, but you are one easy to satisfy viewer. I tought it was utter crap. Here let me self-quote what I wrote in the Riddick talkback last night.

"It is boring, uninspired and completely nonsensical, it really feels like they cut out at least 30 minutes of important plot/explanations. And the action is minimal and utterly underwhelming, so there really is nothing to enjoy at all. Dismal, avoid at all cost."

Also, I'd like to point out the stupidity of the product placement, namely the commercial airplane with the huge Coca Cola Zero logo pasted on it. Its like, did Vin Diesel refuse to be seen drinking said soda, so they did that instead? Lame.

the milf lover
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
08:18:55 PM
I guess I didn't notice the Coke logo deal. I can't say I liked it, but I don't think that it was anymore ridiculous than Chron. of Riddick, Death Race or any other of these sci fi action movies. It seemed to be almost an exact blend of Riddick, Children of Men and Johnny Mnemonic.
Good evening everyone
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Sep 1st, 2008
08:50:11 PM
Mowed the lawn, pulled a ton of weeds, had my mom over for dinner and watched Baby Mama. Man, I loves that Tina Fey but that movie......meh. Overall, considering I had 4 days off, I watched only one really outstanding movie, Redbelt, and a bunch of piss poor to OK stuff. Did get through all of last season's Earl too and that makes up for it because that show just entertains me the hell out of me and the wife.

Herb, I don't think most of the movies I sent you will be dubbed. I buy mostly the region 3 releases and they don't bother with dubbing. And sometimes their subtitles are laughably translated. I gotta warn you right now, I can't stand dubbed movies so the stuff you'll be getting from me will be 90% subtitled. And if you found Shinobi hard to follow, don't worry, these Asian movies can be like that. You get a feel for it after a while and eventually ignore the disjointed stuff.

AD does have a Johnny Mnemonic feel
by the milf lover
Sep 1st, 2008
08:58:02 PM
I was thinking that watching it, but I find Mnemonic better and more enjoyable in its crappiness, and it's coherent at least. Its a shame about Babylon because the cast actually does a pretty good job, they're just stuck in a mess, and Michelle Yeoh is wasted yet again. And this is from someone who loved Ultraviolet, so that tells you how bad I think AD is.

But I enjoyed the hell out of Death Race. One of my top 10 of 2008.

Hawaiian Organ Donor
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
09:18:54 PM
That's good to hear, but I am going to try Shinobi again anyway. I'm about half through Warlords now. That is an awesome movie.
milf lover
by Herb West
Sep 1st, 2008
09:22:51 PM
Yeah, I thought Death Race was better than what I expected it to be.
favourite moment in subtitles:
by chipps
Sep 1st, 2008
09:41:51 PM
i used to live in a country called brunei, which has a large chinese community. so if a major movie comes out (like say titanic) it has chinese subtitles. i went to the movies and saw id4. you know at the end where they go around the world and show different people from different countries defeating the aliens. one of those is in china. in that scene a chinese guy says someone. there are english subtitles. then there were chinese subtitles of the english subtitles. i laughed my ass off.

also, by my figuring at the end of that movie australia becomes the powerhouse of the world. why? well, it shows, the plains of africa, the pyramids and the sydney opera house. thing is the opera house is in the middle of the sydney cbd, which means australia becomes the only country to retain a city of more than 3m, not to mention melbourne, brisbane and the gold coast. it may be a pipe dream but i'm sticking to it.

hey guys, I'm sticking with the old TB
by Jonah Echo
Sep 1st, 2008
09:49:51 PM
I gotta say, I hate the idea of being chased out by silliness. But as soon as it hits 2000 posts, Ill see you fine people over here. Keep the seat warm til I get back. It's gonna be mighty wierd over there with just me and media messiah.
actually..I'll come over here..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 1st, 2008
09:57:24 PM
things loading too slow. didnt understand it, but I think it's the giant length of MM's posts. It just drags the thing down so much.

HA! Jonah...
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
10:04:47 PM
Just left you a message on the other thread! Have a good night!
Goodnight to all the rest of you, too
by Mavra Chang
Sep 1st, 2008
10:06:41 PM
Later!
goodnight Mavra..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 1st, 2008
10:14:14 PM
and thanks again for the asian site. It is awesome. I really enjoyed Hansel and Gretel. It's a great quirky horror. A nice blend of the original and the familiar. It definitely had more of a french feel than a korean feel I think. The movie even happened to end slightly(oh so slightly) more upbeat than your average asian film. I was really quite taken with it, and am looking forward to catching it again. Good stuff.
As for this Toronto TB
by Jonah Echo
Sep 1st, 2008
10:16:18 PM
not too terribly interesting. The only flick I really care about, I've already seen- Let the Right One In. For all who actually care about the vampire genre, this is the best thing that's come out of it in YEARS. A truly great little gem of a film. It's probably sitting somewhere near the top of my 2008 list right now.
HOD
by Jonah Echo
Sep 1st, 2008
10:21:29 PM
My list for the week includes The Closer, Wedding Campaign and my second look at The Restless.
Sukiyaki Western Django
by Jonah Echo
Sep 1st, 2008
10:38:19 PM
You really liked it Kung-fu? I felt it was just Miike working the wierd and absurd for all he was worth. And maybe that's the artistry. He keeps pushing the nonsense, the surrealism and the arbitrary nature of the language and the narrative, until we have to defer to him as the artist. But honestly, it just didn't work for me. It was silly, somewhat boring crap, and it had none of the earmarks of Miike's best work. I can see how some could regard it as a potpourri of wierdness, but it misses the boat for me, by a crucial margin. It fails to really show an artist's hand at work. Even the most apparently arbitrary or surrealist works often had the feel of a greater purpose at work, or the guiding hand of a visionary. This one lacks that. It feels not like something more than it is, but what it is, a series of jumbled notes ideas and scenes in search of a purpose, a unifying vision, a passionate platform. It's looking for something and it comes up wanting.
not the closer..the chaser
by Jonah Echo
Sep 1st, 2008
11:22:59 PM
I meant the chaser.

And for discussion purposes,for those just coming to these films:

From the first batch my top four were Daisy, The Warlords, Running Wild and Chocolate.

Unlike everyone here, I didn't care much for Machine Girl, though I do acknowledge the allure of it's gory silliness. To my credit, I told HOD after the first viewing that everyone else here would like or love it.

Currently, the new batch is terrific and an improvement over even the first batch. So far I've seen Red Cliff, Shinobi:Heart Under Blade, Guard Post and Invisible Target. All four in some form or another hit their mark, and do so well.

Guard Post really works as a creepy war-based horror film. Red Cliff is a majestic comic book of a chinese epic, and one that totally schools 300 on how to make a stylish battle film about small forces standing against an empire. Shinobi is a Saturday morning cartoon by comparison, but it's addictive and fun and finally poignant on it's own terms. It requires a bit of surrender to it's premise, but it's worth it. And Invisible Target is the return of good HK action films. I mean REALLY GOOD HK action films. Also, Jackie Chan's son is in it.

My current ranking for the second batch(there are several I've seen before, but I'll hold my opinion until I've watched them anew this time)is:

Red Cliff

Invisible Target

Shinobi: Heart Under Blade

Guard Post

Jonah
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:01:23 AM
I liked Sukiyaki for several reason, which I would be more than happy to cover. For one thing, it's just a lot of fun. It's rare to see crazy movies like that in America, so when I get to see something so zany I just sit back and soak it all in. It may not have much depth but it's a whole lot of fun. Another thing I really enjoyed was the cinematography. Damn does Miike have an eye for beauty. I can recall a couple of those rose shots, and even some of the gory violent scenes that were just great to look at. On a visual level, the movie is gorgeous. the costumes were incredibly detailed and unique, the sets were intricate, and the action was well staged (though I must admit that final scene left me a little underwhelmed).

I don't really think my enjoyment of the film really just stemmed from the superficial either. The movie had some pretty compelling and moving scenes that really got to me. Like when the woman is being raped while her husband's corpse is being dragged away as her son looks on. That really got to me.

Also if you are a fan of cult cinema, which I think we all are, the movie gets to be even more fun, with its various homages to other classic samurai and western movies such as Yojimbo, and of course, Django.

The best way to enjoy the movie is to just realize it's silly (and all the Japanese actors are speaking broken English) and sit back and enjoy it. Different movies are good for different reasons. While Running Wild was an excellent stark character study and exploration on morality and the themes of justice, Sukiyaki Western Django is a stylish explosion of energy meant for the entertainment of the cult film fan.

Hey HOD, I'm curious
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:05:34 AM
what did you think of Sukiyaki Western Django?
several reasons
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:06:45 AM
hate when that happens. makes me look like a twat
Oh, one thing I didn't like about Sukiyaki
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:09:40 AM
All the Japanese actors were speaking English that was nearly impossible to understand, and there weren't any subtitles.

Okay I'll admit, it dragged the teensiest bit in parts at the end.

So nobody's on anymore
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:22:06 AM
How do always have this shitty timing?
my typing is shit tonight
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:30:10 AM
I'll stop now.

sorry

Watched Inland Empire last night
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
03:16:09 AM
and I have a few questions:

1)What the fuck is it about?

2)Seriously, what the fuck is it about?

3)Is Laura Dern's actress character the same as the white trash character or are they totally unrelated?

4)Seriously, I can't stress this enough- what the fuck is going on?

5)What was the LSD per person ratio on that set?

Anyhoo, the good Mrs. Jarv hated it so much she is refusing to watch another David Lynch film which is a crying shame as we have both Blue Velvet and The Elephant Man queued.

jarv
by chipps
Sep 2nd, 2008
05:30:20 AM
you poms did good at the olympics. on ya
Good morning
by Mavra Chang
Sep 2nd, 2008
05:52:15 AM
Rotten thing for me to say knowing that the majority of you are now back to business after a long weekend, but I'm in a chipper mood because it's finally my day off (even though I just left work...humor me).

Since no one is here to argue with me about it, I'm going to 'jump' right in with my thoughts on "The Machine Girl". I can appreciate this film not only because I am basically an unsophisticated and uncultured heathen who enjoys an occasional schlockfest, but also because the opening scene brought a thought to my head that I personally consider a high compliment for a film: This would be a great drive-in movie!

One of my favorite childhood memories is spending a summer night at a low-dough-carload-show, especially when they would have a movie marathon lasting until sunrise. It sounds weird, but watching "Machine Girl" gave me that nostalgia rush. There's nothing deep about this film. It's made for pulling giggles (or guffaws, from you macho types), gasps,groans, and gaggings from the audience. Even with the premise of a serious theme, it cannot be taken seriously and doesn't try. My 12 year old nephew walked in while I was watching the invasion of the red ninjas and literally fell over laughing, then took it home with him when I was done. That boy has my taste in movies!

Hi, Chipps!
by Mavra Chang
Sep 2nd, 2008
05:55:32 AM
Glad to see I don't have the place to myself after all. How are you doing? Survive your BBC Austen nightmare with minimal mental damage?
Shinobi
by Mavra Chang
Sep 2nd, 2008
06:20:13 AM
I've watched a little more than half of it so far. Got to that point and another nephew showed up and asked if I would mind starting it over so he could see it. I dozed off and woke up after it was over, so finishing that is my next goal. I am enjoying the "superhero" aspect of it and the bird's eye scenery views.
watching lost
by chipps
Sep 2nd, 2008
06:58:43 AM
there are few things i enjoy more than bit part americans murdering my accent. it is priceless. 'dingo stole my baby....'
morning all..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
07:06:08 AM
Mavra, you are right on bout Machine Girl. It's drive-in quality for sure. I watched it in a small minimized box on my computer while doing some at-home work, and I just didn't get into it at all. Watching it on the projector, showing it to a bunch of friends late at night, who didnt know what to expect made it a totally different experience.

That being said, I know I sound like a killjoy, but it wasn't quite the great schlock it could have been. Best scene in MG, was when the main villain is defeated in a fiasco that involves school boys losing bladder control and a drill bra.

Shinobi is odd, because it sneaks up on you. It's firmly rooted in the over the top asian supherhero genre, but it really works quite well. If Machine Girl was drive-in, Shinobi is that flick you would catch on channel 54 on a saturday afternoon.

How was everyone's weekend?

Django
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
07:10:51 AM
Kung-fu, I didnt go into Django expecting anything other than silliness, randomness, seeing odd things I haven't seen before, genre mash-ups, etc. I wasn't holding it to the standard of something it wasnt. But for me, this time more than in the past, Miike really just lost sight of the shoreline and headed out to the deep water. The one choice more than anything that ruins and sinks the movie was that horrid idea to have it all in pidgen english, even Tarantino. Also, it seemed to go on for a very long time. I, however, have it here, and will give it another run and see if it gets better.
So apparently..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
07:39:07 AM
I want to have Mori's love child. This is from Bobo_vision's ghost over in another TB:

"I'll give you an example (forgive my rambling, long post). There's a talkbacker at this site named Jonah Echo who I've noticed is particularly fond of Moriarty. He's in this talkback as well praising Mori for speaking out against Massa. I've noticed him for a while and he writes these posts to Mori which read like glowing love letters. He wrote one in response to the "Fear, Itself" episode Mori wrote (and several other articles as well) and I remember checking back on the talkback to see if Mori responded to him, and sure enough, he didn't.

Then, Moriarty had written this open letter to Harvey Weinstein about some movie called "Outlander", and not only did Jonah Echo praise Mori again, but he and a few others sat in that talkback everyday posting and talking in order to keep that article at the top of the most discussed talkbacks to increase the chance that it would be noticed. He even occasionally yelled out, "For Outlander!", LOL! It was one of the lamest things I've seen, like a group of mentally challenged kids re-enacting the scene from "The Outsiders" where they say, "Let's do it for Johnny, man! Do it for Johnny!" LOL! (I'm kidding, Jonah). They did this for days, so I know Moriarty saw this.

Well, I didn't read that talkback, it was huge, but I checked back out of curiosity and just scrolled to the bottom once everyone had stopped posting just to see if there was a black box there. You know, just a few words from Moriarty saying, "Hey, thanks for doing this guys", or "You guys rock!", or "You guys could be in the special olympics", you know, something. But there was nothing. Not a word. Sometimes you learn more about a person from what they don't say than what they do."

I find this very amusing.

that bloody dingo
by chipps
Sep 2nd, 2008
07:52:40 AM
time for bed
wow..it's dead here today..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:32:13 AM
Anyone around?
Howdy, Howdy
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:36:08 AM
And Neigh means Neigh!

I got popped by Toad and Jonah over the weekend.

So I'm down 1,024 to 7 to Toad and 1-0 to Jonah.

Sighhhh.

hey kung-fu..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:36:47 AM
Since you enjoyed django, let me recommend another Miike, if you havent seen it: Happiness of the Katakuris. You can find it on the asian site Mavra sent. Or Survive Style 5+, which we talked about yesterday. I think you will greatly enjoy both movies. I did.
chitty..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:37:27 AM
did you read the blurb I posted above?
and my neigh was to be credited to Toad..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:38:09 AM
I have in competing. :)
Who was that cocksucker, Jonah?
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:43:35 AM
And what TB was it in? The fucker clearly missed the point and needs a beating.

On a different note, I assume that none of you have seen Inland Empire, or if you have can't help me out.

Happiness of Katakuris
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:44:22 AM
is hysterical. Totally un-Miike like.

Avoid Visitor Q.

wotcha Chipps
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:45:01 AM
I see your Sports minister has to wear an England Rugby shirt at the next event she attends.
This going to be a quiet day?
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:46:27 AM
Jonah, thanks for posting that stuff from Bobo Vision. I will agree with him on one thing and I said this before in the Outlander TB. I'm a little annoyed at how little the black boxers come on and chat with us in any of the TBs. They'll respond to some criticism and the odd time they'll even answer questions but they never pop in just to say hi or say job well done for discussing film for 2000 posts without hurling insults. And with that Outlander TB, we did discuss the actual movie for a while.

Kungfu, I still haven't watched Western Django. Like an idiot, it was between that an Dynamite Warrior on Saturday and you know what I went with.

Jarv, Lynch is so hit and miss I can't blame your wife from banning him completely.

She's being most unreasonable
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:48:35 AM
Damn it. I knew Inland Empire was going to be too much- especially after her decidedly "meh" reaction to Dune.
I saw it Jarv..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:48:36 AM
and it's hard to really explain it, for one reason, I think what Lynch has in mind isn't an easy, understandable narrative. There is alot of displacement of psyche, madness, identity loss, and then just crazy stuff involving rabbit suits. The themes and ideas seem clear, but the narrative is shredded to pieces. That is usually Lynch's style. I don't know. You either love it or hate it. Im not even sure where I fall.

Jarv, I'll try and see if there are some plausible explanations for the film. I wasn't quite swept away by it enough to warrant the same level of interest I gave Mulholland Drive, a better film with similar themes and premise.

I think you are essentially watching the deterioration of Laura Dern's character's mental state and spiritual well being, but then again who knows.

Mrs. Jarv shouldn't give up so easily. Show her the Straight Story and The Elephant Man. Both are easily Lynch's most linear and coherent movies.

Yeah I saw that Jonah
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:48:48 AM
First off, I love the Outsiders and would indeed "Do it for Johnny" if given enough beer and a switchblade.

Second off, I never got the impression that you wanted to make love to Mori or give birth to his hellspawn.

Third, to say this group is this or that is pointless.

We are what we are.

People that talk about movies, joke around and have a good time.

And as Dutch told Dillon in Predator: "Instead of complaining why don't you help out"

In other words, jump in and have fun. We are not a group that is going to attack, even when provoked (well sometimes we do, but that is a case by case basis).

I would just ignore it, move on and maybe chuckle a bit.

HOD
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
08:56:48 AM
I guess his point is valid, but what he is missing is that I could give a rat's rear if Mori talks to me or not. I want to talk to him the same reason I want to talk to all here-shared love of film. I'm curious to hear any tips he has for getting scripts sold, but that's all the interest. Yea, I definitely think Mori is at fault for only responding to critics, but for someone madly in love with him, I was saying that IN the Outlander TB, that he hurts himself by answering his troll critics and not discussing stuff with fans of the stuff he also loves.

But the bigger issue is that these things are non-issues. I encourage Mori in his script-writing because I'd rather do that, then slag him, even if he did suck. Personally, I didnt think skin and bones sucked. I liked it, and focused on the good instead of the flaws, because I would want that. I wouldnt want butt kissing, but I would want encouragement as well as criticism.

Such is my life, and the nature of it, that I dont look up to Mori, or envy him, or anything else. As far as I'm concerned the heroes of AICN are people like you, HOD, and these other guys here. Mori isnt any different than any of us, save for the good fortune to work in the industry. And if he keeps stooping to the level of trolls, he will at various times be no better than his critics.

But Massa had no business posting the beating up a retard thing. I responded to that because I was a Special Ed teacher for 3 years, and saw things like that happen, and I recognize real hate speech when I see it.

Yea, chitty, agreed..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:00:29 AM
it was amusing. I don't think bobo was being particularly harsh, but I think he was trying to hard to fit us into a mold for his point. I bear him no ill will, but I think he would do better to come over here and discuss movies and not follow the staff around, seeking out their weaknesses.
That's my problem with it Jonah
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:02:39 AM
and that explanation just raised a frosty glare from Mrs. Jarv. Her point, and it is a good one, is that the Laura Dern character just isn't established enough for the breakdown to make sense. And even if you allow that, the shit with the Rabbits is just so fucking weird and nonsensical that it takes you out of the movie.

And I loved Lost Highway and Mullholland Drive, so I was much more tolerant of it than she was. It did still leave me cold.

Sadly, Elephant Man is up next, but she's dropped the Axe on it altogether. I'm kicking myself, actually, because I'd done the Groundwork with Twin Peaks, Dune and Wild at Heart- but Inland Empire just pissed her off.

Massa is frequently beyond the pale
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:04:10 AM
That retard comment was salacious and unpleasant- but the SATC headline was probably his nadir.
To each their own I guess
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:05:21 AM
But yeah, that's his opinion and he's entitled to it.

But I just fail to get that caught up in it to publicy decry what someone else is doing.

To be more clear, if someone was writing personal love letters to Harry I would find it amusing, but I wouldn't care enough to write in and harp about ass kissing.

Go with the Straight Story Jarv
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:06:40 AM
Can't go wrong with that one.

Tons of heart in that movie.

Have you seen the Elephant Man Jarv?
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:08:00 AM
I think you should give it a go with her. Use the hooks. It's a drama. It has Anthony Hopkins. Yea, Inland Empire is probably Lynch's weakest film. I ultimately would consider it a failure, but I admire things about it. It has many of the same flaws I attributed to Django above. It is made incomprehesible for the sake of incomprehensibility.

I don't think you or Mrs. Jarv missed anything, because there wasn't really anything to miss. Everything you could see Lynch gave you, but the point is, sometimes there isn't a sensible reason or explanation for what Lynch gave you. He burned the blueprints on Inland Empire and thus shafted his audience. Elephant Man is about human dignity and finding that humanity wherever it may lie, and soldiering on in the face of cruelty and misfortune. It's a terrific film, and it would be a crime not to see it because of the bloated, silly Inland Empire.

I'm still hopefull for The Elephant Man
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:14:33 AM
and I totally agree about him burning the blueprints- it was just completely incoherent.

I'd been on a bit of a roll, frankly, until Inland Empire. I basically decided to fill in gaps in her Cinema knowledge (of shlock in some cases) as there is a huge amount that she hasn't seen. So I'd hit Amadeus, The Untouchables (I can't believe she hadn't seen that), The Game, The Third Man, Kind Hearts and Coronets (Which is the best British film, ever,) to name a few.

And then, feeling confident I waded into Lynch. Twat that I am.

on The Untouchables,
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:15:35 AM
I know that Depalma stole The Baby scene wholesale from another film, but for the life of me I can't remember which. Can anyone help me out?
whoops,
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:16:12 AM
Ha- That was meant to be: I have seen the Elephant Man. Curse my lazy typing.
Elephant Man, Wild at Heart and Lost Highway
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:19:46 AM
That's some quality stuff right there. As is Blue Velvet. But if someone's only experience with Lynch was the last three things I've seen from him (Mulholland Drive, Rabbits and Inland Empire) I can understand their aversion.

And for the record, I don't understand Massa's reviews either. They are gibberish. Then again, so are Harry's. After Crystal Skull, I stopped reading reviews on this site altogether.

that fucking Vice President thread gives me a nosebleed
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:24:25 AM
and I want to bitchslap Immortal Fish. What a twat.
Damn it Chitty!
by toadkillerdog
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:25:50 AM
I was still in vacation mode. Ok, gotta get back up to speed. You got me. But Jonah came through for me this weekend!

Hola Jarv - nice to have you back.

It was Battleship Potemkin
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:26:28 AM
And it was loosely based on a shootout between Russian sailors I believe.

And here's your interesting trivia. In the original script, the shootout between Ness/Stone and Capone's men was to take place on a train. But the studio balked at the idea because they claimed it would be cost prohibitive to find and restore a train from that era. So DePalma altered it to be int he station and used the shootout from Potemkin as a reference.

Elephant Man was indeed amazing work
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:27:00 AM
Between that and Straight Story shows the range Lynch can have.

I mean show somebody Eraserhead and then the Straight Story.

Then tell them the same director did both and watch them do a double take.

Jarv
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:28:07 AM
Battleship Potempkin was the movie. Odessa Steps scene. Sorry, I didnt see your question.
Nice HOD..you beat me..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:29:23 AM
and it is Potemkin, no P. typo there. Good movie, worth seeing if you havent Jarv.
Cheers.
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:29:28 AM
That's been bothering me for ages. Half of me really likes Depalma, but the other half thinks he's a plagiarist hack.

It's tough.

Saw it years ago
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:30:47 AM
That's why I couldn't remember. There's loads of "references" in that film- the expected Hitchcock ones, and other more subtle ones.

I maintain though, that Connery did not, on any sane planet, deserve his Oscar for that performance.

whoops
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:31:25 AM
"There's loads of "references" in that film- the expected Hitchcock ones, and other more subtle ones. "

By which I mean The Untouchables, not Potemkin.

But they don't call it plagiarism Jarv
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:32:13 AM
They call it being influenced. Ha!
Don't they just
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:38:50 AM
I always thought that Wilson (Wallace in the film) was a much more interesting character than Ness. Why has nobody made a biopic of him?
agreed Jarv..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:42:33 AM
in the film, it also helped he was played by the underrated Charles Martin Smith. Interesting guy, Wilson.
Charles Martin Smith
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:43:18 AM
Needs more work. Fact.
So, now that the summer movie season is done
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:43:27 AM
Let's hear it. Your fave summer films of 2008?
and co-incidentally
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:45:44 AM
his latest directorial effort, Stone of Destiny, is appearing at Tiff this year. Well, if Wikipedia can be trusted that is.
Summer 2008 (this is woefully predictable)
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
09:50:02 AM
Bearing in Mind that I haven't seen Speed Racer, and Doomsday was a summer release here:

In reverse order-

4)Iron Man- didn't give a fuck about it. Amazed by RDJ. Maintain film would have been gash without him.

3)Doomsday. Messy, incomprehensible, hystericaly insane stuff. Future cult classic.

2)Hellboy 2. Didn't give a fuck about it- absolutely amazed

1)TDK. Yes, I know it isn't perfect, but I haven't seen anything this year to touch it.

Summer 2008
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:03:52 AM
First all the theatrical films I saw(with rating):

Iron Man- 4.5/5

Speed Racer-4/5

Prince Caspian- 4/5

Montana Williams and the Empire of the Obsidian Cranium- 3.5/5

Son of Rambow- 4/5

The Fall-5/5

Mongol-3.5/5

Kung-Fu Panda-4/5

The Incredible Hulk-3.5/5

The Happening-1.5/5

Reprise-4/5

Priceless-3/5

Wall-E-5/5

Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D- 3/5

Hellboy 2-4.5/5

The Dark Knight 5/5

X-Files: I Want to Believe 3.5/5

Transsiberian-4/5

Tell No One-4.5/5

Tropic Thunder 4/5

In hindsight
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:05:58 AM
this summer is going to be looked back on fondly, if only because of how fecking awful 2006 and 2007 were.
My top 5
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:10:51 AM
1. The Fall-I adored this film above pretty much all else this year. A great, gripping fairy tale that was just a complete 180 from The Cell.

2. The Dark Knight-It really is a great film and a masterpiece of comic book adaptation. I'm sure this one will only rise in my opinion.

WALL-E- Another masterpiece. I think these top three films are just classics, that even with their flaws were about as perfect as most modern films get.

4. HB2: The Golden Army-most fun movie of the summer hands down for me. I was totally into this at every turn. Wonderful.

5. Tell No One-This one actually does feel like Hitchcock, and it's not just a word to describe the fact the film is a suspense picture with accused on the run, murders and secrets. It's a pretty special movie as far as thrillers go.

best summer surprises for me
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:17:20 AM
Speed Racer looms at the top of that list. Wow, I expected to hate it from early on, when the first trailer showed in December. And I loved it, not for the fx and style as much as for the family dynamic. That's the aspect that made it special.

Kung-Fu Panda in Imax-again, expected very little and was surprised by how great and gorgeous the movie looks, and how warm-hearted it is. And ontop of all that, it's actually exciting, funny and it's kung-fu battles have intensity and wit.

Incredible Hulk-I really like the Ang Lee version of Hulk, but didn't save much hope for this. And yet, while not perfect, I had a great time with it, and felt they did a better job here of capturing the comic book's identity.

The Fall-yea, I hoped it would be good, but I HATED The Cell, and didnt suspect this could pull it's premise together. Congrats Tarsem. This is the most extreme turn around I've ever seen.

Son of Rambow-It's so sweet and funny and nostalgic that it catches you by surprise, because you expect formula and you get heart.

disappointments
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:22:04 AM
well, I avoided several potentially bad things, but watching the continued descent of Shyamalan is probably most heartbreaking to me, because I keep hoping the guy will pull out of the tailspin and instead he just shows me how the previous fall was nothing, and that he can always roll a bit further down the hill. This new one has now firmly caused me to end our relationship. If he wants to win me back, I'm gonna need EXTREME proof he has done soemthing special before I pay to see it.

While I liked both of them, Indy 4 and X-Files were both disappointments because while delivering reasonably good movies, the creators of both seemed to have lost sight of their creation. The actors have not and they struggle to bring dignity to these people, and in all cases, they succeeded, but the creators and the creation in both instances seem to be somewhat estranged.

Jarv..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:27:31 AM
while you were gone, I saw Doomsday. It was quite a bit of crazy fun. Nothing crazier, in fact, than the scene where they dance to Fine Young Cannibals and then cook and eat Sean Pertwee.
I didn't see Indy, but..
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:27:31 AM
For the few that I did see this summer (very busy):

1.) The Dark Knight - yes, the hype was beyond control and there circumstances that made it have more interest from the masses (Ledger's death). But this really was a great movie to behold.

2.) WALL-E - Another Pixar gem that has tons of heart. When his friend holds his hand at the end and you think his personality is gone and it reappears...Gold!

3.) Iron Man - Like Jarv said above, RDJ really pushed this film to another level, but I still think it would have worked well enough if he had just mailed in his performance.

That really is all I had time for, as nobody told me just how much time a newborn takes up. Whew...

Indy 4
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:28:11 AM
we have beaten this topic to death, but my opinion has just not changed- it isn't bad enough to condemn, and it isn't good enough to defend. It is the living embodiment of "meh". And that, for an Indy film, is a crying fucking shame.
Iron Man is great...
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:29:32 AM
and it didnt get love on the lists above, save for the main one, because it was pretty much as good as I thought it would be, well better actually. Looking forward to a film that isn't the origin story.
hello CoC
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:29:44 AM
So here's the quick rundown of movies I saw this long weekend:

Princess Aurora - good solid flick. I really enjoyed this one Hawaiian.

Mr. Socrates - haven't finished it, but kind of blah to it. Not really feeling it, nor the lead either. Will finish it at some point and see if it picks up any steam.

Before the Devil Knows your Dead - Marissa......oops, sorry...dazed off a bit there. Good movie. Liked how it turned out, but not crazy about the choice of hopping back and forth in the timeline. I don't think it worked so much for this movie. Still, good movie.

The Bank Job - another solid movie. I liked it.

Shyamalan will be back
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:30:00 AM
Trust me, the levels that his films have fallen (I haven't seen The Happening yet) are reason enough a reality check is in order.

You know the guy can deliver, so it is just a matter of time before he regroups, deflates his ego a bit and maybe directs a quality script from someone else.

yea, also why you were gone Jarv
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:30:43 AM
we made a rule not to speak of Indy 4 here, which is why I referred to it as I did above, and forgot that when actually writing about it.
Doomsday was great
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:32:03 AM
I've gotten a couple co-workers to see it and they liked it. The best about that scene is the dude throwing frisbees to the crowd.

I love that.

Fine Young Cannibals need more work
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:32:30 AM
as well. Fact.
Tops of the Summer
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:33:17 AM
The Dark Knight and Hellboy 2 were note perfect for me. Enjoyed the hell out of both. Also liked The Happening, Indy IV, and Iron Man. Notable films I haven't seen include Speed Racer, Prince Caspian, TIH, Wall-E, Kung Fu Panda, and Tropic Thunder. Only other film I saw was Get Smart and I hated that (Puddy and Bill Murray cameos excluded).
JPT
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:33:59 AM
Agree with your feelings on pretty much all those, save for Mr. Socrates, which I actually liked a bit. I'd say that and Bank Job, I felt about the same with-they were fine movies in a genre that has mostly exhausted it's interest.

Princess Aurora was a surprisingly good movie, given the fact it's similar to Sympathy for Lady Vengeance, and I saw it after that one.

the frisbees..and the large scotsman
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:34:49 AM
doing a chorus line behind him.
perhaps I was just too damn tired
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:35:42 AM
when I threw it in Jonah, but it put me to sleep. Saw up till the point he was a cop, beat the crap out of his bro, and brought his bro to see his dad in prison.
TDK, Hellboy II, Iron Man
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:36:33 AM
Loved them all, each a different take on the comic book land.
Persepolis.
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:37:00 AM
Finalyl got around to watching it this weekend. Beautifully animated film and a very interesting story. I liked it.
JPT..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:37:43 AM
maybe, or maybe it just didn't work for you. Which is possible. For me, I thought the acting was solid and the way the film was put together, with some of the details-like them training him to be a cop really fleshed out a mediocre and tired concept.
Hobo
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:38:30 AM
Persepolis was a good film. Beautifully animated, and heartfelt.

Persopolis was wonderful
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:42:59 AM
Harry was right- it should have won best Animated feature.
and sorry about bringing up the film that shall not be named
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:44:26 AM
didn't know about the moritorium.
Aslo tried to watch Dewey Cox...
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:46:47 AM
made it 20 minutes in and turned it off. I never do that but I knew it just wasn't my thing and I had to start Season 5 of The Wire.
Jarv, it was mostly
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:47:23 AM
because there was a clear stalemate between those who liked it alright(of which I was one) and those who hated it. It usually ended up distracting us from other topics. And in my mind Im not sure I even feel comfortable defending it, since it was more Meh than Yeah! as you pointed out. I want to see it a second time first.
You could not pay me to see Kung Fu Panda
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:47:24 AM
I can't think of a film I'm more off than that one.
Dewey Cox was surprisingly lame..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:49:29 AM
we turned it off as well.

Jarv, I thought the same thing bout Panda, and I only went because we were going on a double date with friends, and they wanted to see it. But it won me over, and not just by the end. I'd say I was perhaps 15 minutes into the film, and already a fan.

as a CoC member, I cannot, nay, will not
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:49:57 AM
see Kung Fu Panda and the continued bullshit "softening" of the view of the Bear by Hollywood. A Bear is not cute nor cuddly. It is a ferocious flesh-eating machine.

The day of the Bear is fast approaching....

I feel like that
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:50:07 AM
I was supremely underwhelmed by it, but I'm wondering if it will be better from the comfort of my couch with beer and cigs.
JPT..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:52:03 AM
agreed bout the bear, but the Panda bear,pillow? Ferocious?

Then again there is that panda bit in Tropic Thunder. Hilarious.

Yes, the noble bear shall not be maligned by
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:52:42 AM
fat cretins like Jack Black.

And although Panda's are a truly shit bear, they do not bother with nonsense such as "kung fu". Not when they can chomp you.

are you being sarcastic, jpt?
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:54:31 AM
It's a Giant Panda, not a grizzly. They're relatively docile creatures that eat bamboo for 99% of their diet.
if one wants to rehabilitate the image
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:54:54 AM
of the bear in Hwood, then they should make a film version of Richard Adams' novel, Shardik.
They're more ferocious than Koalas
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:55:16 AM
and look at the size of the bastards. They coud definately squash you.
Besides, you should worry less about Jack Black...
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:56:19 AM
and more about overweight burley homosexuals that are also personified by bears.
all bears Jonah, all bears
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:56:38 AM
Will we continue to harbor these feelings that the Panda is inferior? I say no, it must end. All Bears should be recognized as equals, equally able to chomp on a human limb if provoked.

Polar bears, black bears, grizzly bears, panda bears...all must unite if they are to overcome this "cuddly label" that Hollywood has unjustifiably thrown at them.

Pillow, just watch Grizzly
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:56:55 AM
It was A 1976 film with an 18-foot bear.

Good stuff and NOTHING cuddly about this bear.

Sequel was in the works back in the day featuring George Clooney and Charlie Sheen, but it never happened.

Didn't you guys see The Edge?
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:58:29 AM
I think Hollywood's image of the bear is fine. Bart the Bear ripped a couple motherfuckers to limbs in The Edge. Almost killed a guy in White Fang, and killed Brad pitt in Legends of the Fall.
society has made them bamboo eating pussies
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:58:38 AM
I'm sure through an "re-education" process, they can learn to eat small children and whatnot.
Fucking Pandas
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:58:51 AM
have done more harm to the Bear's image than anything else.

And that Shardik suggestion is fucking brilliant.

To hell with this crap...where's THE SINFUL DWARF?
by thegreatwhatzit
Sep 2nd, 2008
10:59:55 AM
This country needs more SINFUL DWARF, the only film that qualifies for a remake. Jessica Simpson could play the busty "abducted bride" (lots of gratuitous nude scenes; this film would prove more professionally engaging than the films that Simpson's feather/manager nailed for her). So who would play the Nazi mom who kidnaps high school girls for her white slave trade? Well, Hillary Clinton needs work to pay-off a $25 million debt (dumb p.r. whore). But who would play her son, The Sinful Dwarf? Maybe some former child actor...
Not to mention the doc Grizzly Man.
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:00:11 AM
That shit gave me nightmares.
and yet for every example you give Node...
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:00:47 AM
We have The Great Outdoors...Country Bears...

Care Bears

Paddington Bear

What about the Great Outdoors?
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:02:50 AM
Another Bart the Bear film in which the bear nearly kills two families. He didn't quit until he got shot in the ass.
Node
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:02:59 AM
as much as that is true they have also been sanitised through pish like Gentle Ben, The Great Outdoors, Yogi, The fucking Care Bears, Baloo and other such likes.

I love the idea of Bear rehab with a group of Pandas at BA (Bamboo Anonymous) that have to take turns to stand up and blame "bear" pressure for their vegetation habit.

He got shot in the ass by John Candy!
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:03:55 AM
and was less frightening than the creepy twin girls.

THat was one shit bear.

Bears are pussies!
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:05:22 AM
There, I said it.
Question: Which bear is best?
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:07:27 AM
"Bears are pussies!"
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:08:38 AM
I blame Paddington entirely for this.
one of the great tragedies of our time
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:08:57 AM
was the hesitancy in making Shardik that has resulted in Bart the bear dying before he got a chance to take the role. It would have been the film that the Academy finally nominated him for, and it would have afforded us that great Oscar moment where Bart would have accepted his trophy, mounted Meryl Streep and then scooped Jack Nicholson's smirking head into his powerful jaws.
one of the great bears..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:10:51 AM
Meatloaf Bear from Prophecy! She had no fur, and just red bolbous latex for skin, but she could take out kids in yellow sleeping bags like nobody's business.
I want to see those trainers get a Polar Bear
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:11:03 AM
Those bastards are huge!

Also they hunt the hunters that hunt them in the wild.

Cool bears (no pun intended).

Bart the Bear has an IMDB profile.
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:12:03 AM
Love it.
The polar bears on Lost...
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:13:05 AM
are pretty mean motherfuckers.
so does bart the bear the second.
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:13:15 AM
But to me, that's like trying to follow up Arnie with The Rock. It just isnt the same, though he did sort of win me over in Into the Wild.
I say Bart the Bear vs. Meatloaf bear
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:13:17 AM
They could cgi scenes from Bart's old movies.

Bear battles = $$$

Also have humans caught in the crossfire.

the propaganda machine tarnishing the Bear name
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:13:53 AM
Tragic.
Hobo..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:14:17 AM
they would be even meaner if they were more than a fuzzy white animated blur.
I've never seen Lost Node....
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:14:34 AM
Have they eaten anyone?
The movies of 2008 that I saw
by toadkillerdog
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:14:59 AM
1) Iron Man - It was a close battle with TDK. But I have been a very, very long time fan of 'ol shell-head. They nailed it. I could quibble about a few things, but really the only bad thing about the movie was the ending fight the Obie. It did not pack the wallop(pun intended) it should have, not to mention it had some serious problems with logic. That being said, it was still the best movie experience for me this summer.

2) TDK - Great flick, and I did not even try to hold it to the hype surrounding it, nothing could survive that. But it has some great things going for it(Ledger) and some things that still bug me (the whole Harvey Dent storyline and Batman taking blame). However, it was epic and very entertaining.

3) Speed Racer -Let the haters be damned. This was a rollicking good time. Once again, I am a very long time fan of the cartoon, and they nailed it here, to my absolute astonishment. Did not think it could be pulled off, and it is the most visually stunning movie I have seen in a very long time. This will be the Tron of it's generation. Meaning: It did not get much love at first, but the visual impact will last far into the future.

4)Tropic Thunder -It was a bit uneven, and not a lagh riot throughout, but I did enjoy it, and it had some insanely funny moments. My favorite is when Jack Black is tied to the tree, going through heroin withdrawal. Ok, that sounded wrong. It was the things he said while going through withdrawal that are breathtakingly funny. Cruise was great as well.

5) Wall-E. A cute story. Maybe too cute. It just did not have the impact that it could/should have had on me. And I still do not know why. Perhaps the lack of dialogue did it in. The visuals are great, but it just seemd lacking. The story is not as funny as the trailers led me to beleive, and while Eve and Wall-e are meant for one another, I still never felt there was any peril. 6) Hulk - great realization of the comic book Hulk. And really, that is what most fans wanted to see. Hulk Smash! (Don't start Node!)

7) Indy IV - Ford was great. He can do more Indy's and be very believable. They screwed up adding Shia. I know it was done to appeal to younger demographics and perhaps launch a new franchise, but it distracted from Ford. The story was terrible though with or without Shia. Lackluster direction and too much CGI!

8) Hellboy II - just could not get into it. I loved the first movie. It had a sense of warmth and family as well as kicks ass action. This felt bloated and self-important as well as self-indulgent. Lots of left over character design from Pans, as well as ripped -off MIB allusions and a terrible and boring, villain.

There is other stuff.

9) Hancock - started out great, but felt like they rushed the ending. 90 min is too short for this type of movie. Great idea, that got was never fully realized.

10) Wanted - Some great visuals, but really a boring, uninvolving story with charcaters you could care less about.

I would have head-butted bear in Into The Wild
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:15:46 AM
I mean he was already sick, why not go out in a blaze of glory?

Can you imagine if they deviated from the novel and had him have a final showdown with the bear?

"Mounted Meryl Streep and then..."
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:17:56 AM
Funny.
Toad..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:17:58 AM
you are right bout the tree scene in Tropic Thunder. It wasnt the going through it, it was the ridiculous things he was saying as he tried to beat it.

And were the fake trailers not great? When they started playing Enigma in the middle of the Satan's Alley trailer I lost it.

Jonah, that scene still cracks me up
by toadkillerdog
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:21:49 AM
Sorry for the typos in above post. Multi-tasking at work.

No. 6 is Hulk

Can you head butt a Grizzly?
by Lost Jarv
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:24:11 AM
aren't they 8-10ft tall?
when it is on all fours you could try,
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:25:41 AM
but it's likely it would just open it's mouth and let you place your head on it's tongue. And that to me is pretty irresponsible, as it makes the bear lazy as it expects that food will just come on up and climb in.
Good job over on VP thread, Jarv
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:26:40 AM
Well done, well said. I threw my worthless hat in the ring as well.

The only summer movies I saw were Indy 4, Baby Mama and The Love Guru. By that measuring stick it would be the worst summer ever. Speed Racer and Iron man come out this month so I'm sure I can start to readjust my opinion.

JPT, yeah on Princess Aurora! Sorry about Mr. Socrates. I liked it. Thankfully so did Danny and Jonah but if it isn't for you, then go ahead and try something else and here's hoping.

Eventually you guys are going to ignore me completely. I'm the one guy who seems to like the movies reviled by everyone else. I think the only times I stopped laughing during Dewey Cox was when I was guzzling a beer.

Bart died or retired. He wasn't in Into the Wild.
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:26:49 AM
I don't think. And the polar bears on Lost haven't eaten anyone yet 9 (I think), but not for lack of trying.
CoC members
by toadkillerdog
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:27:25 AM
I was blessed to be shown part of the origin that explains our reverance of almighty No. 2 Pencil and the stabbings of shitheels with said sacred instrument!

This may be old news to The Four but new news to others.

The origin comes from the movie Midnight Run and the Mob boss Jimmy Serano - played by Dennis Farina. He threatens to stab people through the heart with a pencil!

speaking of on all fours...
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:27:41 AM
Marissa!
Hobo..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:28:58 AM
Bart died in 2001 during the making of a film. But the new Bart the Bear, was in Into the Wild. If you go to IMDB, you will notice there are two Barts. The one we all grew up with has gone on to Bruinhalla, to stand amongst the mighty company of the great Ursa Majors who have come before him.
ah, that's okay Hawaiian...
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:29:13 AM
Can't like them all. The fact that I've enjoyed four of them quite a bit is pretty fucking cool as it is, and I'm not done watching the first set either.
so then those are inept bears on Lost...
by just pillow talk
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:30:02 AM
HOD...
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:32:11 AM
Im thinking that I'll line up The Chaser, Wedding Campaign and my second viewing of The Restless this week. What do you think?

Also, I gave you a positive shout-out above. Did you catch it?

Bart's mother was in Grizzly
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:36:19 AM
Good acting chops for both of them, although I would say Bart's range as an actor definatly beats out his mother's turn as simply killer bear.

Bart has shown he can establish a menacing nature in The Edge and a more light-hearted spin on the man-eating genre in The Great Outdoors.

Bart was the Cary Grant of bears.

Yes, I said the Cary Grant of bears.

They were outgunned jpt.
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:38:55 AM
They did alright considering. One got shot several times attempting to charge a group of survivors. One was speared but survived trying to est a child, and another one is burned using a makeshift hairspray blowtorch while attempting to drag away a former Nigerian warlord.
you forgot Bart's tour de force
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:39:51 AM
in The Bear, where he got to show full range as vicious and dangerous and caring and mysterious, wise even. It was multifaceted, and yet, ignored. If that had been a human role, it would have celebrated. Bart, here's to you!
Bart died making a movie?
by HoboCode
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:42:28 AM
How? Naturally or what? Somebody got sued by PETA.
Check this out from 2006: Woman vs. Bear
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:43:47 AM
IVUJIVIK, Quebec — Lydia Angyiou's kids sure won't be giving her much trouble any more, now that they've seen her wrestle a 700-pound polar bear.

Angyiou lives in Ivujivik, a village of 300 people on the shore of Hudson Bay in northern Quebec.

One Wednesday evening earlier this month, Angyiou was walking near the village community center with her two sons when a group of children playing street hockey nearby started shouting and pointing frantically.

Angyiou, 41, turned around and saw a polar bear sizing up her 7-year-old son.

She told the children to run and raced around to get between the bear and her son. Then she started kicking and punching the animal, according to police reports.

In a flash, the bear swatted her in the face and she fell on her back. With the bear on top of her, Angyiou began kicking her legs in a bicycle-pedaling motion. She was swatted once more and rolled over, but the bear moved toward her again.

Siqualuk Ainalik heard the commotion and came rushing over. Seeing Angyiou wrestling with the bear, he ran to his brother's home, grabbed a rifle and headed back to the street. He fired a few warning shots.

The sound diverted the bear's attention from Angyiou just long enough for him to aim and fire again. According to police, Ainalik fired four shots into the bear before it finally died.

With the help of some neighbors, Angyiou made it to the home of Nelson Conn, a constable with the Kativik Regional Police Force.

"She came in in a panic," Conn recalled. "She was obviously in shock. She was saying, 'Bear, bear.' I just took her over to our nursing station and I asked where and if the bear was dead. She said, 'Yes.'"

Remarkably, Angyiou suffered only a couple of scratches and a black eye. She and the local police have been fielding calls from across Canada ever since the incident was first reported last week in the Nunatsiaq News.

Meanwhile, villagers are still marveling at her courage, and there is talk of nominating her for a bravery medal.

"I've been here 24 years and I've never seen this before," said Larry Hubert, a regional captain with the police force who arrived on the scene just after the bear was shot. "For sure, she saved the kids' lives."

Hubert has known Angyiou for 15 years and he can't believe she took on a bear. He said the bear measured eight feet in length and weighed at least 700 pounds.

Angyiou "is about 5-foot-nothing and 90 pounds on a wet day," Hubert said with a laugh. "She's pretty quiet. I'm surprised she went and did this.

"But I guess when your back is up against the wall, I guess we come up with super-human strength."

Ivujivik is Quebec's northernmost community, situated on a peninsula where the Hudson Bay meets the Hudson Strait.

While polar bears roam the giant ice packs that float just off shore, Hubert said it's rare for them to wander into the village. He said he believes the bear that tangled with Angyiou became disoriented and was not looking for food.

"She's lucky the bear wasn't hungry," he said. "If the bear was hungry, she would have been eaten pretty quickly."

So Bart Jr. is his son..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:47:11 AM
and he had a daughter too, named Honeybump. Bart did not die because of making a film. The final film was a documentary about him. Bart died of cancer at 23.
Shit, forgot about The Bear!
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:50:53 AM
Loved that movie and yes, amazing performance by Bart.

Loved it when the cub thinks he has bitched the mountian lion, only to realize it was papa bear.

Damn good stuff.

wait..not his son
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:52:00 AM
Bart Jr. and Honeybump are two bears, brother and sister being trained by the same trainers as Bart. Bart Jr. is only the spiritual sucessor of Bart Sr.
I read it Jonah, thanks!
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:53:28 AM
And that's an excellent lineup. The Chaser is pretty graphic but a great little serial killer movie. Wedding Campaign is a romcom and the reason I sent it was to diversify the pack a little but I also think it's the best Korean romcom to date. As you know the genre isn't their forte so to see one that's genuinely funny is refreshing.

The Restless may have been a stinker, I can't remember. I just love the lead (same guy from Daisy) and thought the effects were actually very good, especially that end sequence.

So it was three generations of acting bears?
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:54:00 AM
Let's see, his mom was in Grizzly and Bart was in a shitload of movies for a bear and his son was in Into the Wild?

Damn that is impressive and I saw a television special on the trainers and they seem pretty laid back and cool.

Wouldn't want to trespass on their property, as they probably have a few bears we've never heard of trained to sick balls like Chopper.

Jesus, bears as guards would be tough to get around.

HOD
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:56:03 AM
ok, it's not just me then. I recall thinking Restless was just lame, and a non-starter with great visuals. I'll give it another shot though. That was last year, and I had just watched Jade Warrior which was better, and Wolfhound, the russian conan.

HOD
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:57:08 AM
when is Red Cliff 2 getting released? Any info there?
also, I suggest
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
11:59:36 AM
that if a Twitch article pops up soon-it's been two weeks since the last one-we head over there. I think those places make perfect playgrounds for us.
I guess it was a stinker then
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:08:36 PM
But like I said, for some reason I've loved that guy since Musa. He's the Korean version of an actor like Seymour Hoffman in that I'll watch a movie where he reads the newspaper.

Part one of Red Cliff is still in theaters in Asia so I'm not sure how we managed to get a DVD quality version of it already. Part two opens in January so we could potentially have it as early as late February.

Your'e killing me HOD..
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:10:11 PM
It's like addicting me to crack, and then basically telling me to tie myself to a tree until February.
I wish we could get Jarv talking about...
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:10:34 PM
...some of these movies. I think he'd enjoy Machine Girl, Chocolate and Red Cliff. Need to find a way to get them into his hands.
Guess
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:11:55 PM
I'll just have to watch the first part of Red Cliff a few more hundred times before then.

Given this bit of news, maybe I'll bump Romance of the Three Kingdoms to this week, and save Restless for next week.

Machine Girl is available to rent.
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:13:19 PM
HOD, how is Open City?
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:13:50 PM
I really liked Open City
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Sep 2nd, 2008
12:43:03 PM
It's a movie about pickpockets that manages to entertain. And the female lead is so drop dead I'd run across a busy 8-lane highway just to talk to her.

It's just an entertaining little movie. I didn't send you anything I thought was crap. I had screened everything but the Guard Post and risked that because you personally requested it.

An Empress was generally panned and you might despise it, but for me, it's a sword and sandals epic and even though Danny can't stand them, I could watch one a week. You know those people complaining about too many massive CGI armies in movies by the time ROTK came out? Not me, brother. To me that's like complaining there's too many shootouts in movies. I mean, hasn't the shootout been done to death by now? It's the staple of 95% of Ahnuld's movies. But when do you ever hear someone saying, "Oh Christ, another shootout?"

I could watch CGI armies 1 out of every 10 movies I watch. Never gets old to me. So by that logic, Empress and Three Kingdoms entertained me even though I realize they were weak movies.

HOD
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
01:00:18 PM
In some cases the armies(and the shootouts) are too much when they aren't tied to something interesting. I watched Warlords a second time, and feel it's the second best of the first set, right behind Daisy.

Musa the Warrior worked terrifically as a battle film. But, Warriors of Heaven and Earth was a relatively weak epic in the same vein.

Curse of the Golden Flower was a great film, and I loved Hero and House of Flying Daggers. By that same token, I disliked stuff like A Man Called Hero.

With me, the film needs to have it's battles exist as an extension of story, and the battles need to have personality and style, and incorporate characters in an interesting way. Right now, Woo gets major points for the turtle shell tactic in Red Cliff because of the way it gives the battle itself character, and also literally creates corridors that open up on individual characters and give them moments within the battle to shine.

Best shoot out ever
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
01:00:25 PM
was in one of the Naked Gun movies where Frank and some thug shot and shot and shot.

Then the camera pulls back and they are about three feet from another.

Classic.

Also in Hot Shots
by ChittyChittyGangBang
Sep 2nd, 2008
01:02:07 PM
When Sheen has the body count listed onscreen.

He also runs out of bullets and just grabs a handful and throws the bullets into the row of enemies and uses a chicken as an arrow.

Hot Shots also gave us the dreaded eye disease known as Wall-Eye vision.

Hawaiian
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
01:04:29 PM
I never heard your thoughts on Invisible Target, outside the fact you liked it. I wanted to discuss that one a bit, because it really felt like a rebirth of hong kong action to me. Back in the early 2000s when people were praising films like Full Time Killer, I didn't get very excited. But Invisible Target was exciting, humorous and entertaining as well as existing as both a well told story(albeit familiar) and as a high quality reel of full-on action scenes. It can be watched both ways. I thought it interesting that I saw Woo make a big epic, and then witnessed a great example of the kinds of films Woo used to do well back in the day. Like a passing of the torch.
chitty
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
01:05:36 PM
irony about that naked gun moment, it was parodying the Untouchables scene we talked about earlier, which ripped off Battleship Potemkin.
Invisible Target
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
01:08:52 PM
is like a primer in great shootouts. In one great scene, a criminal force feeds a detective his own bullets, which need to passed later on.
Some cool convos today
by kungfuhustler84
Sep 2nd, 2008
01:16:04 PM
However HOD, I pity you for having neglected Sukiyaki in favor of one of the most disappointing Tai films ever. Hopefully, django will make up for the delay.
kungfu..your fave movies of summer 2008?
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
01:17:52 PM
also...where is Danny?
by Jonah Echo
Sep 2nd, 2008
01:18:53 PM
he on vacation or something?
and Jonah
by kungfuhustler84