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by Bloo
Sep 9th, 2008
03:33:56 AM
make me want to check this out, the previews donot
2nd!
by DarthHomercles
Sep 9th, 2008
03:36:11 AM
nuts
Kurtzman and Orci are a giant red flag to me
by Xiphos_2
Sep 9th, 2008
03:46:48 AM
Since I think they suck as writers and from those reviews it seems they are delivering their suckness in spades.

Well, here's to hoping, they some how pull it off. Good sci-fi, hell even okay sci-fi has been mostly missing from TV as of late. I hope they manage to do this I really do.

this years little miss x-files!!!!!
by dr.bulber
Sep 9th, 2008
03:54:18 AM
-without the porn.
The pilot....
by spyro
Sep 9th, 2008
03:54:51 AM
sucked massive hairy balls but am willing to give this another shot if there have been substantive changes.....
spyro
by Hercules
Sep 9th, 2008
04:04:30 AM
the changes are far from huge
It started out really well but then....
by Aloy
Sep 9th, 2008
04:09:13 AM
degenerated into the paranoid, multi leveled conspiracy shtick. I'll watch for the first few....
Can't trust you on this one, Herc --
by YND
Sep 9th, 2008
04:09:59 AM
-- guess I'll have to check it out myself. You've steered me right on a bunch of great shows I wouldn't have checked out otherwise (BUFFY, GILMORE GIRLS, PUSHING DAISIES), but your notorious (and weird) dislike of the X FILES makes me skeptical of your take on this very X FILEy little number. Here's hoping it's up to your usual standards.
Thanks Herc
by spyro
Sep 9th, 2008
04:51:34 AM
maybe I won't then. I just found it boring, trite, hollow characterisation and generally wasn't anything that we hadn't seen before. Very high production values and it 'looked' great but it just didn't interest me.
"The Accident" sounds a lot like "The Incident"
by Maniaq
Sep 9th, 2008
05:02:05 AM
in fact, there's a lot here that is quite reminiscent of a certain other TV show Abrams is vaguely involved in from time to time...

DeJa Vu all over again?

This all sounds so much like Alias it is ridiculous.
by snowpuff
Sep 9th, 2008
05:10:18 AM
This all sounds so much like Alias it is ridiculous. Abrams is all high concept but never knows how to explain everything. Or anything. He did this on Alias and he did it on Lost. It's all very cool but leaves you like a plate of chinese food with MSG. Hungry and bloated afterward.

Herc as usual drinks the Kool-aid. Abrams says "no this time I won't fool you" and Herc says "baaaahhhhhh" like a good little sheep reviewer.
I'd like to see a show called "Fridge"
by tonagan
Sep 9th, 2008
05:40:45 AM
I imagine it would star a fat guy.
i liked it alot
by Basehead
Sep 9th, 2008
06:12:54 AM
i was totally game after watching the pilot. i liked where the story was heading. i do however foresee a long stretching of the main storyline. which is ok as long as it isnt done tedious or ever changing as the x-files or millennium which the latter completely changed from season to season. so lets bring it on
the pilot was a letdown
by TotalFreedom
Sep 9th, 2008
06:36:36 AM
I did like parts of it, mostly the interaction between the mad scientist dude and Josh Jackson. The setup for the big ass mystery was pretty annoying due of the disgusting lack of subtlety throughout the episode. If the big questions feel run into the ground from episode 1, theres a fucking problem. Also, I kind of wanted to stab the main character in the face a lot of the time. That totally uninteresting woman in the lead really brought down everything else around her.
Can't wait for the porn version--Minge
by Sans Souci
Sep 9th, 2008
06:39:42 AM
The best thing about the pilot is Blair Brown, and she gets criminally underused. I suppose her character must be brought out slowly, but it's not a good sign that your most compelling actor is only given two minutes of screentime.

And saying this is as goos as the X-Files pilot? No way. Mulder and Scully got off to a pretty stable start. Fringe is a too unbalanced and there are too many misfires. Potential is there greater things, however.

And finally...this show owes its premise/existence more to Doomwatch than to The X-Files. The tone and mission are EXACTLY what Doomwatch was doing back in the '70s. The Brits beat us to it!
Joshua Jackson IS Hal Jordan
by teethgnasher
Sep 9th, 2008
06:42:27 AM
oh yea. Make the GL movie WB.
Expensive looking, but deadly boring...
by Messiahman
Sep 9th, 2008
07:19:59 AM
I guess I’ll be another dissenting voice on this one, as I found the pilot, while certainly slickly directed, to be rather dull when it came to story and character execution. The magical casting genie that oversaw other Abrams projects must have been taking a day off when this show went into production. Anna Torv never goes beyond bland and blonde, and the opening scenes she shares with her dull, hunky partner were damn-near cringe-inducing. They’re like FBI agents crossed with a Gap ad. Jackson is woefully miscast as a scientific genius, and none of his scenes with Noble are emotionally convincing. Worse yet, they managed to take the brilliant Lance Reddick and dull him down to the point that he’s essentially a non-entity – it’s hard to believe this is the same guy who was so electrifying on THE WIRE.

The storyline Is little more than a wonky medical mystery, a mix of CSI with a dash of X-FILES; the mythology is awkwardly shoved in at the last second. And speaking of XF, that pilot was light years more interesting than what we’ve got here. XF in the early going managed to capture lightning in a bottle and brought us two of the most compelling leads ever seen in a genre program. Infinitely more compelling than anyone we’re introduced to in FRINGE. Even when XF went off the rails, Duchovny and Anderson were mostly a pleasure to watch as Mulder and Scully, while I can’t even recall the names of FRINGE’s characters a few days after watching.

The best that can be said about the pilot is that it’s highly polished, which it should be at a cost of 10 million. The inherent problem, however, is that the rest of the eps will be shot for considerably less and will be much more reliant on story and character. If the staff doesn’t establish these well (and quickly) I see the ratings taking a fast nosedive.

But is she hotter than Gillian A?
by Dodgy
Sep 9th, 2008
07:42:05 AM
Just watched an x-files season 7 ep again and she just kept getting more horny as time went on...
I'm torn
by Luscious.868
Sep 9th, 2008
08:00:35 AM
This sounds like a good show but Fox has a long history of canceling promising shows, as do most networks. I think I'll skip this one and if it's still on and getting good reviews in two years then I'll go back and catch up.
Sadly, it's on Fox, so...
by Kid Z
Sep 9th, 2008
08:23:30 AM
...I give it 6 eps before it's cancelled.
Kid Z
by Charlie Murphy
Sep 9th, 2008
08:49:00 AM
i don't know... i mean FOX is famous for axing shows, but the amount of money, talent and promotion they've put into this, i can't imagine anyone at FOX will be too quick to pull the plug on this. that said, i am very excited to see this tonight... i may be one of the only people on here who didn't see the leaked pilot.
Watched the leaked pilot
by BeatsMe
Sep 9th, 2008
08:49:00 AM
and found it a total snooze, couldn't make it to the end but I'll try one more time, maybe these extras scenes will help
...and two years from now it will be an unintelligible mess...
by Pdorwick
Sep 9th, 2008
08:51:11 AM
...just like Alias became; just like Lost became. J.J. can't finish.
Pdorwick: you're an unintelligible mess
by SilentP
Sep 9th, 2008
08:57:33 AM
Lost is fantastic.
So long as its not Abrams typical, WOMAN MUST BE KING
by Stormwatcher
Sep 9th, 2008
09:11:30 AM
I swear he has a dominatrix fetish or something. Remember Kate was to be the hero in Lost? Felicity, Alias, now this. I will ABSOLUTELY watch every episode even if I have only followed LOST, this looks good. And my wife is obsessed with Joshua Jackson to the point that my fucking cat is called Pacey, 8 years of living with a black cat called Pacey.
Yeah, Pdorwick, F-Off go back to the 90210 talkback
by Stormwatcher
Sep 9th, 2008
09:13:26 AM
Clearly you like to follow shows where things are obvious and laid out for you. Here's 90210 future plotline, the black kids parents return! And their Ghetto, but he is torn between his new family and his love for his broken one. Oh and the skinny bitch gets skinnier. There. Happy? Don't want to strain your brain between episdoes of Big Brother or 2 and a Half Men. Damn people like you piss me off.
QFT: "Nothing's as good as the TWIN PEAKS pilot."
by SpyGuy
Sep 9th, 2008
09:25:50 AM
Truer words were never spoken.
Could people please stop putting Lost and Abrahams together
by Lovecraftfan
Sep 9th, 2008
09:46:07 AM
It keeps getting better and better and it has nothing to do with Abrahams and all to do with Lindoff and Cuse. In face J.J. has been loudly distancing himself from Lost.
I really dug the pilot...
by FuckMichaelBay
Sep 9th, 2008
09:53:35 AM
...Graves needs to do some feature work ASAP.
Will this be running on Sci-Fi weekends?
by fiester
Sep 9th, 2008
09:58:58 AM
I like when they do that so I can watch stuff I don't tend to look at on weeknights.
I'll give it a shot.
by HoboCode
Sep 9th, 2008
10:01:13 AM
Not really that excited for it though.
I refuse to believe
by SylarEatsBrains
Sep 9th, 2008
10:03:14 AM
Herc likes Gilmore Girls but not X-files.
This reminds me of that CBS invasion show
by skimn
Sep 9th, 2008
10:37:06 AM
that had a great cast and a great pilot, but eventually fizzled out completely. HOPEFULLY, this will not be the case. I like the good critical buzz around the show, and we do need a good, new sci-fi-ish show on the airwaves.
This talkback is so hetero.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Sep 9th, 2008
10:59:51 AM
How does it spoil ender-boy?
by Melvin_Pelvis
Sep 9th, 2008
11:07:53 AM
Can't wait to see this, Dollhouse and Sci-fi's new Sanctuary
Lt Daniels!!!
by Fart_Master_Flex
Sep 9th, 2008
11:16:52 AM
Is Lt Daniels (Lance Reddick) from the Wire in just the pilot? Or is he a cast member??? He is so the fucking man!!!
I never watch Gilmore Girls
by Melvin_Pelvis
Sep 9th, 2008
11:22:06 AM
that one chicks forehead distorts my flat screen TV
TWIN PEAKS = FTW
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Sep 9th, 2008
11:36:16 AM
But I did see Anna Torv on Letterman. Very, VERY nice.
Hey Herc...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Sep 9th, 2008
11:38:00 AM
...doesn't Rufus Sewell have a new show, ELEVENTH HOUR, coming out? Any word on that one?
I just can't do it...
by KillDozer
Sep 9th, 2008
12:24:18 PM
I can't force myself to sit down and watch a show by the writers of "Transformers".

There's just no way.

Stormwatcher...
by Pdorwick
Sep 9th, 2008
12:40:01 PM
I like to watch shows that are good. Period. Ambiguity is one thing, but incompetent writing is another. The fact you confuse the two is kind of sad. Good luck with the inevitably disappointing finale of Lost.

...and 90210? Where did that come from? I know it would tie your little world up if I liked that show but I sadly don't. The fact of the matter is that I probably like a lot of the same shows you do and that is why you're so threatened by my opinion: In the back of your mind you have a nagging suspicion that I might be right about "Lost".
I'll back Pdorwick...
by password.swordfish
Sep 9th, 2008
12:43:52 PM
not on the Lost thing, cause that show got right back on track after some season 2/early season 3 stumbles. Then again, as everyone ever has pointed out, Abrams has nothing to do with Lost anymore. But Alias became such a hot mess by the end (and boring and repetitive before then); Abrams clearly had no idea where he was going with it. Still, like a sucker, I'll check this out. As for "it'll be canceled, so I won't watch," so basically you'll help expedite the cancellation by not watching. Great plan.
This pilot needed more than new CGI to prop it up
by photoboy
Sep 9th, 2008
12:45:43 PM
A dull, plodding X-Files rip off, with a boring cast and a duff story. I really can't see why anyone would watch this, especially with Kurtzman and Orci bringing their brain dead writing to it. I'm sure it's worth giving it a chance just in case it improves, but I think the base premise is too derivative to succeed.
This pilot needed more than new CGI to prop it up
by photoboy
Sep 9th, 2008
12:46:01 PM
A dull, plodding X-Files rip off, with a boring cast and a duff story. I really can't see why anyone would watch this, especially with Kurtzman and Orci bringing their brain dead writing to it. I'm sure it's worth giving it a chance just in case it improves, but I think the base premise is too derivative to succeed.
The X-Files pilot...
by GenericGeek
Sep 9th, 2008
01:08:20 PM
...also gave us Gillian Anderson in her underwear (as she asked Mulder to check her buttular area for "alien implants" that turned out to be mosquito bites), so there. The underwear was pinkish (or "champagne") and silky. Yeah... silky... ahem. Anyways, I'm there for Fringe, since The Middleman's season is over now, and I need my X-Files ripoff fix.
An Abrams show? Yawn. Pass.
by mbeemer
Sep 9th, 2008
01:14:35 PM
How long before all the seeming intricacies boil down to 'making it up as he goes along'?

How many times are you going to let this guy fool you?

Mark Valley, the kiss of death for pilots.
by Christopher3
Sep 9th, 2008
01:26:40 PM
The pilot's suitably interesting, but I have difficulty seeing how the writing and direction can maintain that quality week after week. And unlike Lost, which I believe does have a (loose) master plan, I don't think this one knows where it's going.
re: The X-Files pilot...
by Melvin_Pelvis
Sep 9th, 2008
01:27:12 PM
she had granny pantys on
JJ is still listed in credits as CREATOR
by zooch
Sep 9th, 2008
02:05:47 PM
So yeah, he kinda had something to do with LOST
Question for Herc
by DarthFloyd
Sep 9th, 2008
02:21:12 PM
Do these FBI Agents keep getting their asses handed to them by the villians the way Mulder did in the X-Files early on?
Ashok0...
by Pdorwick
Sep 9th, 2008
02:55:54 PM
1. Lost season 3 was pure filler - boring as hell. Season 4 made absolutely no sense when tied into the previous seasons - especially season 1.

2. Arguing with Lost apologists is starting to make me feel like I am in hell.
New Bond Trailer! New Bond Trailer!
by Bauermeister
Sep 9th, 2008
03:14:54 PM
2 words - FUCKING AWESOME!
X-Files Crossover
by SamBlackChvrch21
Sep 9th, 2008
04:08:24 PM
In one of the forum chats on another site they mentioned the Official Widget for Fringe containing some crossover with the X-Files and an appearance by Mulder and Scully. Any one know of any legitimacy to this?
Ashok0: "son"??
by Pdorwick
Sep 9th, 2008
04:11:27 PM
Could you be more condescending... probably not. Lost is the ultimate example of a pseudo-complex show. It gives the illusion of complexity in order to cover up a myriad of dramatic flaws - a kind of "intricate for dummies". Just because you can't tell you're being fooled doesn't make the rest of simple. At least the Hannah Montana writers aren't pretending their show is something it isn't.
Pdorwick
by Lovecraftfan
Sep 9th, 2008
04:15:53 PM
You clearly hate Lost yet you keep watching. Why? It makes no sense. You will never like the show.
Lovecraftfan...
by Pdorwick
Sep 9th, 2008
04:33:34 PM
The fucked up thing is that I do love the show which is why I get so frustrated with it. I thought the first season and a half was some of the best drama - film or tv - that I've ever seen. To watch a show with such immense promise become so cynical towards its viewers makes me irrationally angry. The anger you feel toward a loved one can be like no other anger on earth. I will continue to watch until the bitter end, all the while hoping the promise of the first season is even somewhat fufilled.
Pdorwick
by billypilgrimisunstuck
Sep 9th, 2008
04:42:10 PM
http://www.powells.com/blog/?a uthor=104 www.dangerousminorities.blogsp ot.com
Kurtzman and Orci
by kwisatzhaderach
Sep 9th, 2008
05:55:24 PM
Yet to come up with one memorable line of dialogue.
Pdorwick
by Riley Martin
Sep 9th, 2008
06:31:18 PM
Um...nothing. I just wanted to join in.
X-Files
by Melvin_Pelvis
Sep 9th, 2008
07:12:39 PM
ith the Squick factor amped way up
Dull credits
by ThrowMeTheIdol
Sep 9th, 2008
07:14:44 PM
Not a good start.
was that the guy
by CherryValance
Sep 9th, 2008
07:19:33 PM
from the 4400?
Those big "establishment" subtitles
by Thrillho77
Sep 9th, 2008
07:20:48 PM
look mad ugly.
Whoa
by Thrillho77
Sep 9th, 2008
07:21:24 PM
Joshua Jackson is trying to do his best "Clooney." XD
This show starts off dull
by fofo
Sep 9th, 2008
07:22:06 PM
But it does pick up, and ends up being a pretty cool episode.
they could use a lightbulb
by CherryValance
Sep 9th, 2008
07:25:46 PM
seriously why do all the "cool" shows have to be so dark?
*Yawn*
by Dazzler69
Sep 9th, 2008
07:29:35 PM
So far.
missed the first half hour......
by rben
Sep 9th, 2008
07:34:21 PM
watching last now. that's what i get for clicking this article late today. fuuuuuuuuuck!
The acting is pretty bad so far
by mistergreen
Sep 9th, 2008
07:34:38 PM
I don't like the faces the girl makes either.
I'm enjoying John Noble
by CherryValance
Sep 9th, 2008
07:35:33 PM
his voice is reminding me of the one armed man from TP.
the casting is weird
by mistergreen
Sep 9th, 2008
07:39:12 PM
josh jackson
by BeatsMe
Sep 9th, 2008
07:48:03 PM
sure is horrible
I'm no Bill Shakespeare....
by Aquatarkusman
Sep 9th, 2008
07:58:33 PM
... but that is some BAD writing. Does 72% of the dialogue consist of cliche and Josh Jackson wisecracks? I will give the older doctor props for his excellent "Maximilian Schell in the Black Hole" impersonation, though.
FUCKING TERRIBLE!!!!
by LORDRANDO
Sep 9th, 2008
08:00:13 PM
Predictable, badly written, worse acted...third rate knock off of the worst things about x files. BAD JJ, BAD!!! I hope your concentrating on Lost and Trek, cause this dog wont hunt....shit son...
ps Lost is brilliant...
by LORDRANDO
Sep 9th, 2008
08:03:25 PM
If its too complex for you dont watch. But part of the design and paradigm of the show is that realities presented in earlier episodes dont line up later because (Newsflash!!!!) THERE IS SOMETHING FUCKED UP GOING ON ON THE ISLAND...jeeeez dont watch it. This Fringe shit is just bad. If the pilot of lost was this bad we wouldnt be here talking about Fringe and JJ wouldnt be making star trek.
Pilot Sucked!
by Gay Jesus Christ
Sep 9th, 2008
08:03:40 PM
It sucked cause the old dude was like "You need to be in a LSD tank with NO CLOTHING!" and she was wearing Bra and Panties. What A gyp. She is too serious. This needs offbeat comedy.
The Pattern
by Melvin_Pelvis
Sep 9th, 2008
08:08:26 PM
this is going to be about the emerging singularity

Treating as if it is an event in progress

To Complete the CLiche-a-thon
by Aquatarkusman
Sep 9th, 2008
08:18:08 PM
Lance Reddick needs to end the episode by saying "I'm getting too old for this shit!"
Lance Reddick's Speech in Cartoon Form
by Aquatarkusman
Sep 9th, 2008
08:24:33 PM
Mulder (on the Simpsons): But somewhere out there, something is watching us. There are alien forces acting in ways we can't perceive. Are we alone in the universe? Impossible. When you consider the wonders that exist all around us.... voodoo priests of Haiti, the Tibetan numerologists of Appalachia, the unsolved mysteries of "Unsolved Mysteries." The truth is out there. // Moe (hauling a whale): Oh, who thought a whale could be so heavy?! [sees Mulder] Cheese it! The feds!
encore this sunday.....
by rben
Sep 9th, 2008
08:38:34 PM
oh, ok, fox you muthas, now i just have to remember that, although i saw enough to keep me hooked. not as good as the X, but still entertainment and that Joshua Jackson isn't as annoying as i though he'd be (never watch those dawson's type of shows. not my thing.)
This should have been about
by Melvin_Pelvis
Sep 9th, 2008
08:39:03 PM
a Scottish pedophlic priest that has visions of where to find dead people in the snow

That would have been sooooo much cooler

Ten Million????
by Gay Jesus Christ
Sep 9th, 2008
08:41:47 PM
That did not look like ten million. Lost looked like 50 million. They spent ten million on the hollow man effects.
I guess I'm alone if I say I liked it.
by tonagan
Sep 9th, 2008
08:44:21 PM
So very, very alone. I liked the latest X-Files movie too, though, so there you go.
Tonagan, we'll start our own club
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Sep 9th, 2008
08:47:11 PM
as I enjoyed the hell out of it. Mind you, it probably could have used a little trimming, but was a fairly solid pilot.

But then again, I liked Threshold, and look where that ended up. I don't really pick the good ones.

Anybody watching this "hole in the wall" game show?
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Sep 9th, 2008
08:53:45 PM
these male hairdressers cannot be for real. I think the trio of Liberace, Charles Nelson Reilly, and Paul Lynde would be more butch than this.
Is it so hard to cast an American actress?
by Raymar
Sep 9th, 2008
09:02:23 PM
Terrible accent! Pushing Daisies pulls it off though.
$10 Million dollars?!
by ReekPoodoo
Sep 9th, 2008
09:04:31 PM
Where was it spent? On the flying letters? The overturned SVU? The cyborg-arm? Pffft.
i think people have too high expectations of pilots now
by nora inu
Sep 9th, 2008
09:06:25 PM
that was a solid introduction to what could be a fairly kick ass show. people are way too picky and bitchy about being blown away from the beginning. All the best tv series in history had fairly humble beginnings and had to build and build to get better. awesome pilots and first seasons usually lead to a case of "holy fuck, where do we go from here" syndrome...Lost is probably the only show i can think of that had it (awesome pilot and first season) lost it (very uneven and drowning in mediocrity second season) then got it back (slowly over season three til an awesome season four).
I'll be there next week
by Melvin_Pelvis
Sep 9th, 2008
09:13:50 PM
might even watch the rebroadcast Sunday
Not bad
by mrfan
Sep 9th, 2008
09:20:20 PM
Crazy how much they cram into pilots nowdays. Liked the characters. Enjoyed the plot. It does seem to be a cousin to the X-Files.
I liked it. I'm in for next week but I have a question.
by Maestro610
Sep 9th, 2008
09:23:47 PM
Spoiler: In the lsd questioning tank Torv's character is in a graveyard. To the right behind her is a tombstone that says "He's Not Dead" on it. Anyone see anything else that linked up with that? Seeing as how this is an Abrams show I figure he's going to have things like that around.
Michael Giacchino!
by Nasty In The Pasty
Sep 9th, 2008
09:52:30 PM
At least this new show will SOUND great. The pilot was okay, but the leads were dull and the dialogue not much better. And the establishing subtitles looked like double ripoff of the opening credits of Panic Room and the "chapter 1" titles on Heroes. They're "cool", but they'll likely become distracting in the long run. Hey wait, what am I saying? This is a sci-fi show on Fox. There will BE no "long run"...
Yeesh...
by BizarroJerry
Sep 9th, 2008
10:06:09 PM
You people sure are hard to please. I think it was a fine pilot to set up a series. Ya gotta give something a chance. Must every pilot be groundbreakingly great to garner any attention? I'm giving it a few more episodes at least, based off of this first one.
I really wanted to like it
by Cobbio
Sep 9th, 2008
10:14:01 PM
But I didn't. It was ok for a while, and I liked John Noble as the graying scientist, but the entire show lacked soul. It lacked quirkiness, zip, drama, FBI badass tactics, and fear.

"Fringe" I expected to enjoy fully, since I'm a big fan of "Lost" and the first two seasons of "Alias." But I came away feeling not just "That's it?" but also "Man, that kind of sucked."

My biggest complaint was Agent Dunham. The actress playing her did a fine job, but her character was weak as shit. Seriously, a weepy FBI agent on a show about tracking elements of scary cutting edge science? That's a joke. Grow some fucking balls and develop a personality of strength instead of weakness.

Plus, the fact she was injected with a half-syringe of LSD but suffered no long-term mindwhack was a lost opportunity to do something really freaky and interesting with her character. Imagine if the CEO had unleashed her robotic forearm while Dunham was tripping but trying to keep her shit together? Instead we received an implausible and inconsistent timeline littered with mono expressions.

I enjoyed John Noble's character, but the rest were weak. I'll give this show one more week, but it better hit one out of the park next time or that's it.

Give me more, JJ. Please.

WOW!
by Lashlarue
Sep 9th, 2008
10:27:45 PM
That sucked ass! Major cow ass! X-Files was light years above this tripe. Bob Orci, I have to kill you.
cobbio
by nora inu
Sep 9th, 2008
10:31:08 PM
that was actually a pretty fucking cool idea about the robotic arm and dunham trying to keep her shit together. maybe you should write for this series. i agree to the extent that this was the weakest of abrams pilots (haven't seen felicity). hopefully it builds from here and i think it will. but i do hate it in pilots or first shows like this when they are establishing the character and they have something traumatic happen to them and they are all weepy and there is a sad music montage when we really don't give a flying fuck about that character yet...
Herc: put down the crack pipe and walk away...
by KandiSlayer
Sep 9th, 2008
10:45:16 PM
I am more disappointed in Herc for liking this piece of shit than in the show for being a piece of shit. Cliches should be treated like felons and not allowed to congrate with other offenders. This is the most inept dramatization of the FBI I have ever seen, and that is not a political statement. I will find something else to do on Tuesdays, and the next asshole that even says "honey" or "sweetheart" in my presence is losing teeth. God that piece of shit pissed me off!
TONAGAN
by karmakitten13
Sep 9th, 2008
10:50:42 PM
I'm with you. I liked it. I didn't expect much and after a total shit day at work it was entertaining. I'll tune in again next week.
Agreed, nora inu
by Cobbio
Sep 9th, 2008
10:57:02 PM
About weepy trauma striking a main character when we don't give a fuck about that character yet. Agent John's death scene was another element of the show that was really poorly handled. I was cringing instead of leaning forward to sympathize with her tears or seething anger as he died. She showed no expression at all, which was exactly the wrong way to handle that scene. Terrible.

The pilot episode of "Alias" gave us earned sadness for a main character. Sydney's fiancee's death was brutal, bloody, and unexpected, thus her weeping, crying reaction was earned and dramatic. It made us care about her.

Unlike Agent Dunham, who has given me nothing so far. I mean, absolutely nothing. No quirkiness, obsessions, odd habits, unique viewpoints, or even favorite foods. Nothing. Which many would argue will be established as the show goes on. I say establish it early, and give us a sense of who a character is right off the bat instead of making us wait. For movies and television, it's bad writing not to.

And the idea of Dunham seeing the CEO's robotic arm while trying to keep her shit together on LSD was one of about five things I came up with. Sad, because I never do that while watching a good show.

Like I wrote, I hope this show gets better.

Best Quote: "Excellent! Let's make some LSD!"
by frakthetoasters
Sep 9th, 2008
11:03:29 PM
That was a pretty good quote.
Will The Pattern Explain Flight 815?
by frakthetoasters
Sep 9th, 2008
11:04:10 PM
I can only hope...
Anna Torv and Cate Blanchett
by frakthetoasters
Sep 9th, 2008
11:05:07 PM
Anna Torv reminds me of a young Cate Blanchett. Her natural Australian accent is noticeable as she plays an American FBI Agent. Still she's a good actor and easy on the eyes.
Pacey!
by frakthetoasters
Sep 9th, 2008
11:06:29 PM
Well, Joshua Jackson has grown up. The dialogue isn't the old Dawson's Creek WBness.
I want To Believe....
by frakthetoasters
Sep 9th, 2008
11:08:54 PM
I want to believe that this show will be one of the hits of the Fall Season. I want to come back and watch it next week. I want Fox to keep it on instead of cancelling it like Firefly, Tru Calling, Wonderfalls. I also want to believe that the Giants and the Jets will play in the Super Bowl this year. What is more likely to happen? Manning vs. Favre or Fox keeping this show on for more than say five Episodes?
Poorly written, but entertaining
by Chewtoy
Sep 9th, 2008
11:09:00 PM
It's a pilot, so I'll give it room to grow, but I didn't think there was a single believable character in that whole show. I'm already suspending disbelief for the high-concept... don't ask me to swallow completely arbitrary decisions by every single member of the cast. Every action was set up with some very clunky motivation, *especially* the pairing of the core duo. "We can't get you authorization to talk to a mental patient. Better you fly halfway around the world to recruit his son to sign the papers that will let you see him." Or when the guy got immunity for a terrorist attack on an entire plane full of people. Or ... well, there's a long list of idiotic moments. But it's a pilot, and those things tend to get smoothed out as a show goes on. It has a fun premise, even with a complete cypher for a lead. I'll give it a chance.
I feel about the same...
by turketron
Sep 9th, 2008
11:22:12 PM
Pretty good, but now as good as I expected. I will also give it room to grow. I hope the characters become more compelling because right now I don't really care too much about any of them.
Re: Bad writing
by Spice-Orange
Sep 9th, 2008
11:52:53 PM
"We can't get you authorization to talk to a mental patient. Better you fly halfway around the world to recruit his son to sign the papers that will let you see him." Hmm.. HELLO??? The scary black dude is totally leading everyone here, isn't that clear? he set her up to go to the storage containers... Don't you also imagine that scary black dude needed the BOTH the Bishops AND Blondie in the first place? He just made Olivia do the leg work to test her and see if shes ready for the Job. Its a bit of bad writing at first glace, but i think its more about who's pulling the strings... OF COURSE scary black dude could have let her march into St. Claire's with "the Patriot Act" (has scary black dude put it) but its obvious that he's putting her through her paces- showing, not telling, what he wanted her to do.
That was really bland...
by blindambition238
Sep 10th, 2008
12:06:23 AM
I wanted to like it, but nothing about that episode made me feel involved, interested, or intrigued.
it was excellent!
by ulcer
Sep 10th, 2008
12:10:17 AM
I really liked it, and love the main character. No doubt in my mind it'll be hit! Although not as mainstream as something like 24 or Lost.

The main thing I didn't buy was all this medical procedure in the basement. I wish they'd stop doing that on television shows: it's just unrealistic to do such complex procedure with such carelessness. There's suspension of disbelief and then there's this. No doubt this turns away anyone who isn't a sci-fi fan and has a more critical eye.

Seriously, even a dentist has an assistant, gloves, etc, and you're not a bleeding wound on a table.. :P
dialogue: talk it out
by greyspecter
Sep 10th, 2008
12:13:29 AM
Was it just me or did ever snide and snarky comment coming out of Joshua Jackson sound like he was still on Dawson's Creek? This guy's a supergenius and he's making asinine statements like the black guy from Transfomers (it doesn't matter which token black guy you look at, they both were given nothing to say). Just horrifying interplay with his father. Hopefully the writing improves, the premise and senario was intriguing.
I hated the 3D text
by ulcer
Sep 10th, 2008
12:17:20 AM
This sort of things has to stop. it's not cool, David Fincher's title sequence in Panic Room was stupid, stop it.

It completly takes me out of the scene when this stuff shows up on screen. It reminds you you're watching TV. It takes a few seconds to realize it's not a "real" object and other characters, cars, plans, are not seeing that object, even though it's perfectly 3D shaded to fit in the scene. And it serves NO PURPOSE other than to take you out of the scene and distract you.

it's a dumb, childish, show-off-y amateurish "let's copy Fincher" thing, and I want it out of this and Heroes.
pacing slow and casting/acting extremely bad
by jonsnow
Sep 10th, 2008
12:19:48 AM
This show's pace was waaaay too slow. The casting director did not do his job correctly this time. The acting was so poor that I was laughing at the tv. At least the X-Files had humor in it(lone gunmen anyone), this show is just way too dark and dull for my taste. I now truely believe that Jennifer Garner getting her role was a miracle. The actress on this show just looked bored. Jennifer was Alias. That show should have lasted 8 seasons. CBS, please replace this garbage with three more season of Alias or at least get Kevin Sorbo to complete the last season of Hercules. Tv is really missing great sci-fi fantasy shows like Xena/Hercules/Alias/Lexx. X-Files light just won't do it anymore. Even Mulder left that show due to boredom.
Meant Fox not CBS
by jonsnow
Sep 10th, 2008
12:25:53 AM
I meant FOX. Now that I think about it Fox will cancel this show really soon anyway, they alway do.
i downloaded it in june and thought it kinda sucked
by Holodigm
Sep 10th, 2008
12:26:03 AM
but they did a lot of little touches here and there in the editing, and apparently that was enough. i can't explain it, but this time around i found the pilot to be pretty badass. maybe because it was in HD...
On the fringe
by spartacus728
Sep 10th, 2008
12:34:38 AM
So...I too watched the pilot tonight...I agree with a lot of the latter reviews, great premise and great potential, just the pilot seemed too stuffed. It was too much to digest in an hour and a half. I will continue tuning in for at least the next episode or so until I am swayed. The critics are right though, it needs to be more coherent.
lashlarue
by Boborci
Sep 10th, 2008
01:35:00 AM
Thanks for spelling my name right!
kwisatzhaderach
by Boborci
Sep 10th, 2008
01:38:49 AM
Really? You don't remember a single line?
spartacus728
by Boborci
Sep 10th, 2008
01:45:54 AM
fair
Best pilot: Twin Peaks or Alias/Lost?
by onezeroone
Sep 10th, 2008
02:50:03 AM
Somehow your words confuse me about what you consider to be best pilots ever.
did'nt care for the pilot , can we say "overated"?
by Stalkeye
Sep 10th, 2008
05:17:50 AM
as in Abrams? I watched a better series instead that night: Wolverine and the XMen.
This show gives me the same vibe as Threshold ... but
by Itchy
Sep 10th, 2008
05:53:09 AM
lacks a certain something. That something is Carla Gugino's tits. I'll give it a few more episodes, but for every interesting concept, there was just some cringe inducing writing and leap of logic. I would say the show is basically 1 part X-Files, 1 part Silence of the Lambs for substance and 1 part Lost 1 part Heroes for style.
Loved it, the first time and now
by edshrinker
Sep 10th, 2008
05:59:28 AM
This will develop into a cult favorite and a wonderfully addictive show. In fact, I just pissed myself.

Just a squirt.

Is this show's
by Owen Taylor
Sep 10th, 2008
06:38:08 AM
...seasons going to end in irritating cliffhangers like Lost does. I swear to God Joss Whedon is the only guy in TV who knows how to make a proper season finale.
Wow.
by BangoSkank
Sep 10th, 2008
06:58:56 AM
Wow. I'm surprised by the amount of hate here. Criticism of the dialog, pacing, and characterization? Sure, I've got some of that myself.... But the seething hatred?

My heart goes out to some of you joyless motherfuckers, it really does. I'll keep watching, and if it gets worse instead of better, I'll stop.

Writing
by rbrog77
Sep 10th, 2008
07:18:16 AM
I agree. Sometimes it seemed like they phoned it in. But there were times where I sat there noding...like that was pretty good. And you have to remember that shows like this are sometimes as much (if not more) about character development as they are about the sci-fi elements.

For me, I think it has promise - and these days that's about all you can ask from a pilot.

Yeah, saw it and I was right...
by Kid Z
Sep 10th, 2008
07:26:26 AM
...6 eps, tops before Fox yanks it.
3D text...
by Kid Z
Sep 10th, 2008
07:32:05 AM
...I DVR'd the show while I was working, came in about 40 minutes into it before flipping over to my recording. They were outside the building at Harvard and I thought, "Hey cool, Harvard built huge letters spelling out their name outside one of their buildings."... then I realized they were just ripping off the Panic Room title sequence. Weak.
Style Over A Lack of Substance
by LeftFoot
Sep 10th, 2008
07:39:40 AM
Looked great. But not enough going on. The central character, the female lead had weak charisma. She looks very good. But, hot chick alone does not a TV show make.

Does every water isolation tank have dramatic lighting from underneath?

And talking about darkly lit shows. CSI takes place in a desert community. How many times have they arrived at a house during the day, walk inside and need flashlights because it's so dark in there?
Meh Meh MEH!!
by I am_NOTREAL
Sep 10th, 2008
07:46:42 AM
Ok in parts, weak in others. The auto-piloted plane was as poorly handled as any plot device in recent memory. And the large superimposed letters spelling out the location was idiotic and distracting, especially in Baghdad. Trying too hard, guys. Some good ideas but not enough to keep me coming back. I doubt this will last the season.
I was more impressed by the new Bond trailer than all of FRINGE
by SpyGuy
Sep 10th, 2008
07:46:53 AM
It's like the non-alien episodes of THE X-FILES, only dumbed down for pigs in lipstick.
Threshold
by turketron
Sep 10th, 2008
08:38:26 AM
I actually really liked Threshold... there was a really cool cast on that show. Plus you had Ethan from Lost (William Mapother) fuckin shit up as a villain in the pilot episode which was badass.
SUCKED!!!
by krull rules
Sep 10th, 2008
09:41:34 AM
high-school level writing (from JJ and 2 of the highest paid writers in Hollywood mind you), contrived, mess that disappoints, WTF a cow, annoying 3-D titles, X FILES PILOT BLEW THIS AWAY...
The main charater female FBI agent was so boring
by Lovecraftfan
Sep 10th, 2008
09:43:07 AM
Terrible character and casting. Theres nothing going on with that character. Doesn't even come into the same ballpark as Dana Scully or anyone else.
People Whining about 'Hate' Deserve the Most Hate
by Aquatarkusman
Sep 10th, 2008
09:57:59 AM
We're reacting to the show and the hyperbolic praise larded on it by the moderator.
"Its a simple If/Then Equation..."
by Leafar the Lost
Sep 10th, 2008
10:17:24 AM
My other favorite quote from Fringe is, "I'll go make the LSD."
Fringe Pilot
by PantherMatt
Sep 10th, 2008
10:48:57 AM
I liked it. Not as good as the Lost pilot, and Herc is plain old crazy if he thinks that last night's offering tops the X-Files pilot, but I liked it, and will tune in next week to see how it progresses. I liked Joshua Jackson, even if he was given some clunky dialogue. I loiked John Noble a lot, and I thought the ppor man's Laura Linney, aka Anna Torv, did a fine job. I thought the show was pretty slick looking. I liked the floating title cards, even if I'm not quite sure what they add to the show, and felt like most of the budget was up on the screen. Well done, JJ. Could have been done BETTER, but still well done
Random hate. . .?
by maelstrom_ZERO
Sep 10th, 2008
10:53:12 AM
I'm surprised at all the random hate I'm seeing from this show. Perhaps I'm biased because I did want to like it, considering it's the spiritual successor to the X-Files. . .but still, all in all, it was pretty entertaining. Yes, a major corporate conspiracy is kind of cliche, and yes, giant floating letters is pretentious and irritating. But the premise is a solid one, and John Noble is amazing--so count me in. And I kept on expecting to see SkyNet and Terminators appear after I saw that woman's bionic arm. Very odd. . .but kinda cool.
This show will only get better
by Abin Sur
Sep 10th, 2008
11:41:20 AM
The pilot was OK - comparing it to the Alias/Lost pilots is not really equitable, since JJ directed both those pilots himself. But the premise is great, and with JJs credentials behind it this show will definitely get a full season, which gives the show plenty of time to find its voice. For me, X-Files was just OK until the awesome season 1 finale. Thank God for my dual tuner, since my wife is watching 90210 (groan).
It's the X-Files 2.0, but worse.
by DrPain
Sep 10th, 2008
11:42:42 AM
I don't care for that actress and jackson, he looks like he's trying to be Clooney and he sounds like his balls haven't dropped yet. This would have been so much better if it was with Mulder and Scully instead of "hey Honey" and Clooney jr.
And am I suppose to care about those symbols??
by DrPain
Sep 10th, 2008
11:44:41 AM
Oh NOES! They forgot to cast a midget
by Melvin_Pelvis
Sep 10th, 2008
11:50:49 AM
all these ensemble sci-fi mystery shows always have a dwarf

Who's going to zex up the female lead?

Yeah and instead of the thick sports bra...
by Kid Z
Sep 10th, 2008
12:00:33 PM
...they coulda had her in one'a those transparent deals... or do I wish for too much? (Yes, I am just being a jerk... what else is new, right?)
X-Fringe
by Blackguard
Sep 10th, 2008
12:17:55 PM
This was SO much better than "X-Files: I Want to Believe." If they swapped the 2 leads of Fringe for Mulder and Scully I would have enjoyed the movie more. Seriously can someone tell me what the big deal about the X-Files movie was? A bunch of scientists in a barn? Really??

Anyway, Fringe has promise. I just don't want to start enjoying another show only to have it canceled after 1 season. Maybe I'll just DVR all of them until I hear season 2 has been greenlit.

Was it great?
by HoboCode
Sep 10th, 2008
12:18:58 PM
No.

Does it give me a better vibe and more hope than Moronic Woman did after it's pilot?

YES.

Mark Valley should play Captain America...
by Leafar the Lost
Sep 10th, 2008
12:25:53 PM
...if Aaron Eckhart says no. It all depends on what the studio wants. Mark is just an average actor, but he looks the part, and playing Captain America does not require any great acting effort.
Blackguard- Were not talking about the movie
by Lovecraftfan
Sep 10th, 2008
12:27:29 PM
The comparisions are to the X-Files pilot not the film sequel.
Michael Giacchino!
by LarryTate
Sep 10th, 2008
12:28:08 PM
yes, I love his music- however, pls stop doing the heavy, loud cello note that reminds everyone of LOST. Keep it on LOST but don't repeat that here.
It was alright...
by _Maltheus_
Sep 10th, 2008
12:35:39 PM
...but I'm looking forward more to Dollhouse. I'm sure I'll continue with Fringe since you can't judge a show from its pilot. But Alias and Lost seemed so focused when they started, only to watch them end up with more loose ends than they can handle. This show seems like it has even greater potential for that and I'm not sure I want to sign on for more frustration.
Joshua Jackson couldn't act his way out of a wet nutsack
by Richard Cranium
Sep 10th, 2008
12:39:46 PM
However there were enough intruiging things there for me to give it another look. Especially seeing as how I'm already going to be watching House right before it anyway...
Even Abrams says the first regular episodes
by skimn
Sep 10th, 2008
12:57:53 PM
are better than the pilot. OK, it was no Lost, and some of the plot details had me scratching my head. You needed a live cow....why? Just to be a "colorful crazy"? A civilian can casually walk into an FBI interrogation room? Valley's character became mobile enough to escape just as Dunham discovered his secret? And so on...

Noble was fun (calling Spongebob profound), and there was enough to warrant some more looks. Give it a B-.

Richard Cranium
by LarryTate
Sep 10th, 2008
01:41:53 PM
I agree.. all his little sarcastic quips seemed like bad acting AND bad writing. LAZY = You get your characters to do something that no normal person would ever do.. but it's ok because one of the characters is verbally confirming what we are thinking. WEAK... I'll keep watching tho
I liked it
by oisin5199
Sep 10th, 2008
02:07:18 PM
maybe the bar's low, but it certainly seems like it's going to be better than most of the new crap out this year. I thought the titles were cool, for someone's who's a fan of X-Files and Lost, this fits right into my interest zone. Anna Torv has some room to grow - it is only the pilot, after all. But John Noble was fantastic. Some of his line deliveries were funny and heartbreaking at the same time. I actually didn't mind Jackson. The look he gives after his father revives the agent said it all about how he had changed his mind about his father. Definitely looking forward to more.
A ratings monster, huh? Nope.
by Messiahman
Sep 10th, 2008
02:25:32 PM
Not really, as NBC led the ratings last night as America's Got Talent kicked the heck out of Fringe with a 6.7/11, while all Fox managed was a 5.2/8. That's a pretty modest opening for something that was so heavily hyped.

It just goes to show that you can never predict these things and that hype doesn't always translate into success. I'd imagine many viewers thought the previews looked dull and derivative. It's rare that ratings take a drastic upturn after the pilot -- and Fringe is no watercooler show that will suddenly start pulling in weekly viewers who didn't bother catching it last night. I wouldn't be surprised if the ratings continue to bleed away.

Lovecraftfan- I WAS talking about the movie.
by Blackguard
Sep 10th, 2008
02:33:17 PM
I realize some people were comparing the 2 pilots. I however, was commenting that the movie would have been better with the plot from Fringe.
J.J.Abrams hatred of air travel.
by PhilipMarlowe
Sep 10th, 2008
02:41:30 PM
After the pilots of Lost and Fringe- you really don't want be an air passenger in the Abrams universe.
Fringe is JJ's Harsh Realm
by www.valiens.com
Sep 10th, 2008
03:00:45 PM
Love "Lost." Love "Cloverfield." "Fringe" is top-to-bottom terrible. It's big budget but not cinematic. The lead actress should immediately be replaced with Madam Puppet, such is the audio-visual rape she is performing. The characters are tired cliches. (Another angry/gritty Black head of law enforcement? Really?) The music didn't know what it wanted to do. The cinematography is the same old "you are there" zoom lens cop drama crap we've been watching since Sipowicz's ass. And the script to the opener was a fucking abortion. The saddest part is seeing that they clearly threw so much money and effort into this that they will all be horribly stunned when it doesn't make it past episode 5. I won't make it to 2.
Giacchnio did the Fringe music?
by HoboCode
Sep 10th, 2008
03:14:34 PM
Because I thought it sucked. Too over the top.
missed it.
by ArcadianDS
Sep 10th, 2008
03:46:27 PM
chance they'll re-show it soon?
Herc, you seriously thought this was good?
by Ex-Teenager
Sep 10th, 2008
03:55:07 PM
I have to admit, I didn't make it all the way through the pilot. After the first hour, I saw no reason to needlessly waste another 1/2 hour of my life. Bad acting, bad character motivations, bad script (a lab shut down for 17 years is up and running, not to mention spotless, without even a hint of time passage - really too many examples to go through), bad from a production value standpoint (ZERO atmosphere), and overall just a pathetic X-Files knockoff, even season 9 of the X-Files was far better than this. This show is seriously stupid even by the previous low standards Fox has set.
RE: ArcadianDS and Hobo
by rbrog77
Sep 10th, 2008
04:35:58 PM
Fox is showing it again Sunday.

Nody - good to see you my old friend. Giacchnio did it, and some of it sounded like it was straight from LOST...little effort. I thought it was too much in places too.

I Get Bored Easily With Procedurals
by zooch
Sep 10th, 2008
06:16:45 PM
I prefer serials like LOST and Heroes. So J.J.'s insistance that we won't have to follow this one to get the big picture gets me less excited. I dig the science. I'm not yet sold on Torv, yeah she looks good but she's the main character and there's nothing interesting about her. We need to know more. Noble is excellent, and I actually liked Pacey. Also MORE Lance Reddick!
Doesn't this remind you of Eleventh Hour?
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 10th, 2008
07:42:54 PM
Or is it the other way around?
Threshold should have lived
by LeftFoot
Sep 10th, 2008
07:56:23 PM
Threshold was interesting, distinct and unpredictable

The characters and the actors were very appealing.
Threshold
by Melvin_Pelvis
Sep 10th, 2008
08:21:24 PM
was the same episode told over and over
There's good story potential in the premise
by veritasses
Sep 10th, 2008
09:18:26 PM
but the pilot itself was disappointing especially given the hype, budget and Abrams' involvement. It was quite good in a few spots but sloppy in others. First, given the advanced science and paranormal subject matter, the dialog, pacing and plot need to be sharp, clean, smart but they weren't. The plot promises a lot of intrigue and mystery but the atmosphere (mostly lighting, directing, production design... well pretty much everything) was rather bland thereby diminishing the mystery potential by several fold. Characters seemed to be derived simply to fill a purpose/role rather than as a mechanism to drive the story forward. The main female lead in particular was given little, which is a shame since I think she's a good actor. The other actors weren't bad by any means but neither were they memorable. The story didn't seem to be nearly as tight as it could've been, resulting in a watered down/diluted feeling. I'm also assuming things (acting, story) will settle down as the series continues. It's not as bad as I'm probably making it sound (and it is only a 1.5 hr pilot after all) but I was expecting something on the level of Lost and Frings has a long way to go before it reaches that rank. I'm certainly interested in where this goes.
LeftFoot, agreed...
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Sep 10th, 2008
09:30:59 PM
Threshold was all of those things, but unfortunately they took too long to get to the meat of the story. For over 4 weeks they rehashed the same plot ("somebody's trying to spread the virus! Who is he and how do we find/stop him?!"), leading people to believe it was just a CSI-style clone with some technobabble. However, I think part of the reason of this, though, was the writers wanted to use this time to focus on character development.

Unfortunately, by the time they started introducing elements of the story that would play into the long-term payoff (the vegetables with teeth?..That was wonderfully fucked up), the audience had already bailed.

I hope, here, JJ is better able to pace out plot and character development so that the base doesn't become disinterested too quickly.

Melvin_Pelvis
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Sep 10th, 2008
09:41:56 PM
Exactly. Threshold used the same story format for the first 4-6 episodes, leading to an early feeling of monotony. By the time the story began to diverge from the formula, the audience, and the suits, had already given up on it. It's a great case study on how NOT to focus too much on one aspect of a show. X-files, I think, is the exact opposite in that they successfully mixed it up the in beginning, allowing the audience to extrapolate the personalities and dynamics of Scully and Mulder from the myriad cases they tackled. So, by the time the show started focusing more narrowly on the impending invasion, the audience was comfortable with the set-up.

I hope that even made marginal sense.

Stop the chick-in-charge routine. It's ridic.
by kabong
Sep 10th, 2008
10:01:02 PM
She should be the capable assistant of a male agent who politics his way up in the FBI.

Torv is bland. Acting lessons needed instead of just blowing producers for the job.

Wow Kabong...sexist much?
by Dreadlock Holmes
Sep 10th, 2008
10:34:02 PM
I don't quite agree with Kabong's sentiments
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Sep 10th, 2008
10:55:54 PM
but admittedly, the tough, take-charge woman has been the typical hero in TV (and film, for that matter) for the past 5 or so years. Right off the top of my head I can think of Alias, The Closer, Bones, Karen Sisco, Threshold, Fringe, Saving Grace, Buffy, Charmed, and I know there's a lot more out there.

Mulder and Scully has instant chemistry
by zooch
Sep 11th, 2008
03:12:06 AM
Mulder has this interesting backstory. And Scully played well off Mulder. She was the skeptic, he was the believer. Fringe's lead actress, Torv, has no interesting backstory and no one to play off of. The relationship between Pacey and his father is certainly more interesting.
Mulder and Scully had* instant chemistry
by zooch
Sep 11th, 2008
03:13:50 AM
Enough with the fucking violins!
by Bass Ackwards
Sep 11th, 2008
03:29:10 AM
Seriously that cut-to-commercial "isn't thiscreepy" music cue drives me nuts!
shit shit shit
by DIBARAHMAN
Sep 11th, 2008
06:06:34 AM
Who liked this crap ? What a waste of my time. Strip me off, ram a metal rod in my brain, fill me full of LSD and lets talk to the fucking martians. There was nothing good about this, apart from the beginning with the co pilot and his jaw hanging of. By the end of this piece of shit, my jaw felt the same. Another shit show, with no ending, and more questions than answers. Personally I hated the fucking x files towards the end. For a woman, who'd just been jacked up on God knows how much LSD; There is no God; she pulled it together very nicely in the end, to smash the love of her life of the road, and kill him. Did she really need to do that? wouldn't they have caught him in the end? And then,after killing her fucking hubby, whos body is probably still on its way to the morgue, shes hitting on the crazy old man's son. The old man, whos just been released from the loony bin. I see the pattern, I see the pattern of shit shows, made over the last 10-15 years which suckers in stupid motherfuckers, who think that Heath ledger's performance in Batman is worthy of an Oscar. My fucking arse.
Dibarahman, stop talking in riddles
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Sep 11th, 2008
07:15:07 AM
and tell us how you really feel.
It was ok
by TVguy4566
Sep 11th, 2008
08:53:54 AM
It definitely didn't deserve all the hype it has gotten. Too many cliche plot devises (Did anyone not believe the second she told her FBI boyfriend that she loved him that he was going to get blown up minutes later?). None of the characters really registered because they were also a little cliched.

The show has potential, but it didn't grab me right away like other Abramss' shows like Lost and Alias. They need to tone down the cliches, bring more depth to the characters, and get a little more focused.

If this is the best new show of the season, this season ain't going to have many good new shows. I think it is good enough to watch, but so far it ain't much watch television.
Women protag-shows
by skimn
Sep 11th, 2008
08:56:20 AM
..Inside, Cold Case, Judging Amy, and so on...do we have Silence Of The Lambs to thank for all these...

It is becoming quite the cliche..the strong woman, handling a tough "mans" job, but given time before the last commercial break to show her shed a tear or two to indicate she has feelings...

How long till she gets pregnant with a magic baby?
by _Maltheus_
Sep 11th, 2008
09:02:39 AM
You know it's coming. Along with the amnesia plot and the alternate reality plot.
Oooh a spinning leaf I'm scared.... NOT
by aedude01
Sep 11th, 2008
11:18:55 AM
Slight spoilers ahead, nothing too major. Sadly this has to be one of the worst pilots I've ever seen. At 1hr and 22 mins it's about 30mins too long. While well shot, much of the dialogue is clunky and boring and the end plot twist is anticipated two commercial breaks before the reveal. Joshua Jackson is miscast in his role as the scientist's son. Sadly I don't think he'll ever escape his Dawson's Creek alter ego; I kept waiting for him to start whining about Dawson and Joey or how Jen won't let him bone her. I wonder who he did to get this part. Anna Torv attempts to give a heart wrenching performance as Olivia, but many of her expressions keep her looking slightly constipated through the majority of the proceedings. And WTF was up with the token African American lab assistant? If she's going to be a main character in the show, they certainly did a shiatty job of setting her character up. The only actor that's really watchable in this steaming piece of poo is John Noble, ie the crazy scientist. He's believable and has some genuinely funny lines and reactions to the world he's been absent from for so long. The corporate secretary is rather good as well and her little reveal is a nice bit of spice that helps kick the proceedings into a higher gear. That said, two good characters out of five is never a good sign for a pilot episode, especially when most of the screen time is spent on the ones you don't care about. Plot wise, the Megatronics company, or whatever it's called, is painted so thinly from the get go you just KNOW they're up to no good. So much of the oomph they hope to hit the audience with comes across as a light breeze. The pluses: the visual effects were extremely well done. The opening title sequence is cool. If they keep up the location work at this high of standard and the 'floating titles' effect, this may very well be one of the best looking series after LOST. The cons: The acting, the screenwriting, the plot Other thoughts: Without giving anything away, I thought the ending left much to be desired. I was looking for there to be a 'hook' of some kind that would make me want to tune in next week but I was sadly disappointed. They TRIED to do this with the end scene (don't worry, I'm not going to spoil it for you), but IMHO it just didn't work. Oooh a spinning leaf. This company is DEFINITELY EVIL!!! Honestly, I can't believe some studio boss didn't tell Abrams to take one more pass at the script. Sometimes network intervention can really suck, ala Firefly, but in some cases it's definitely needed. Quick summary: With so many other good shows coming back on the air, I really can't justify carving out another chunk of my time to watch another episode. If you want good/campy sci-fi, do yourself a favor and check out the BBC's Torchwood instead.
it was good. so shut the fuck up.
by fat lenny
Sep 11th, 2008
11:55:42 AM
yeah, some things were silly (like the lab being untouched for 17 years, etc), but shit people... this is a show about paranormal activity. why is suspension of disbelief so hard for some of you retarded geeks? it wasn't a perfect pilot, but it was pretty damn good... i'm happy to have another x-files/twin peaks style show to watch. its been too long since the x-files was relevant and even longer for twin peaks. bring on the conspiracies and spooky science, fringe, i'm all in.
1.02 has been reviewed
by Doctorarzt
Sep 11th, 2008
12:59:42 PM
http://tvblog.ugo.com/index.ph p/tvblog/more/preview_fringe_s eason_one_episode_two_the_same _old_story/
If the show does continue a while
by PhilipMarlowe
Sep 11th, 2008
07:09:56 PM
I'm guessing Blair Brown's character will find out that she never had cancer. It was just a very sick way to manipulate her. And Master Billy Quizboy called- he wants his hand back.
Another Venture Bros. connection
by PhilipMarlowe
Sep 11th, 2008
07:13:22 PM
The hero's infected lover was beginning to look a little like an excited Sally Impossible.
It's NOT a kayak
by kesoze4
Sep 11th, 2008
10:22:50 PM
At least I thought it wasn't in the version I saw months ago. Talking about the boat floating by Torv's head in her dreamstate. In that it looked to me like a one-man rowing boat, aka a *skull*. And everyone knows floating skulls are cool. But now it's just her uncle's kayak or some s#%&.
FRINGE .......... The Pilot Episode
by Red Dawn Don
Sep 11th, 2008
11:47:49 PM
Saw it. Not much impressed. Liked the older scientist guy's character. I'll give it another chance. 'nuff said. Loved the TERMINATOR Season 2 Episode 1 though. Summer Glau telling someone she loves them is a WET-DREAM for all her fans. Count me in SUMMER.
Watched Fringe again on DVR.
by HoboCode
Sep 12th, 2008
10:29:58 AM
I actually liked it much more the second time. I love the whole Massive Dynamic thing with the CEO or whatever once sharing a lab with Walter. The last part with the creepy woman with the robotic arm setting up to "question" Agent Scott post-mortem kicked ass. I even liked pacy more the second time. He was actually pretty hilarious. I found myself laughing several times at his lines. Some of it was heavy handed, like the cow-bit, but overall I thought it was solid. Sadly if there is a weak spot I think it's Lance Reddick. He seemed to phone it in but maybe he'll settle into the character. You guys should try it out again.
fat lenny....
by www.valiens.com
Sep 12th, 2008
02:55:35 PM
I'd love to have another show the caliber of X-Files & Twin Peaks but this ain't it. I'd rather watch a leper peel his skin off than the acting holocaust that is the female lead. Script was awful. Direction was boring. Twin Peaks & more so, X-Files, are cinematic. This is "Howard The Duck" starring Showtime soft-porn-caliber leads.
u haters are 'tards
by slkboxrman
Sep 13th, 2008
12:49:36 AM
it was a great pilot, will def have me tuning in all season. i love how so many people on these boards are "experts" on pacing and dialogue in movies and tv....let me tell u something...the only thing ur an "expert" at is pulling your pecker consistently 5 times a day....3 times while watching anime, and the other 2 lookin at chicks on TV shows.... thats all i think some of u look for is hot chicks...so of course u dont like the story, ur looking for ur next orgasm....it wasnt boring, it wasnt bland, i hate joshua jackson but even he was tolerable...and get off the bitchfest over orci and kurtzman, they are great writers , get off ur prepubescent, year and a half outrage cuz transformers wasnt a carbon copy of the 80s cartoon u wet ur fucking diaper over.....if u dont like the show , or are bored dont post here...but dont pretend to be experts on stuff u have no clue about...i actually only have one complaint about the pilot, and thats using too much LOST background music...its very distinctive and actually distracting ....ears say lost, eyes say fringe......about the canceled shows....CBS gave up on INVASION...that show deserved at least a 2nd season...even SURFACE deserved a 2nd season. NOW and AGAIN was an awesome show, but again CBS gave up on it.......FRINGE was awesome, even for the pilot, which with most new series is kinda rough edged anyways...but it was well thought, great dialogue..nice special effects, big overall arc, another thing im sure u asses will hate,like u hate on LOST....cuz there will be less answers and lots of questions....and god forbid u fanboys dont get your answers in a prompt fashion...then we will start hearing the cries of "filler" ....there is no such thing as filler , its called "u werent paying attention" ...every episode of every show that has a plot arc moves that plot along in each episode, even if just slightly..each episode cannot focus directly on that arc for the whole episode ... get used to it.....well im done , have fun guys
Give it time
by Melvin_Pelvis
Sep 13th, 2008
01:57:03 AM
Gotta give 'em the chance to find the characters within themselves. And then develop the characters.

Remember all the shows that have lasted, the chars were kinda rough in the begining. And when new seasons start they still don't seem to be right on, but as the season advances, it starts feeling right.

I'm glad they got the gooey plague plot out of the way. Noe the more fun stories can come into play.

creeping jesus!
by bernard
Sep 14th, 2008
02:46:13 AM
that pilot was gonzo! I loved it!
johnnylawless...
by bernard
Sep 14th, 2008
02:59:53 AM
how can you hate on a mind meld? my favorite one is with doogie and the slug in starship troopers. in fact, i have a hard time understanding how so many people today like to use absurd as a bad word. absurd is my favorite word. reanimation, lsd, robot prosthetics, big brother corporations with mysterious ceos, spongebob squarepants, wacky scientists, a cow, a montage lab experiment, see-through skin, puking zombies, self piloted planes, a cartoony introduction to locations, accidental urination, screams in an asylum, noir interrogation tactics, shared consciousness, surrealism, a graveyard, buried mini cassette tapes, suffocation by pillow and a male femme fatale made me an instant fan.

And I thought the tonal shifts, pacing and acting were brilliant. even if it's not your thing, i would think people would at least appreciate the ambition.

I actually agree with Herc for once.
by ZeroCorpse
Sep 14th, 2008
11:15:30 PM
Yes. Fringe is good. Shockingly good for a modern FOX show, in fact. It's worth tuning in, but I'm still not going to watch American Idol.
Said it before: producers work on your time, not mine.
by kabong
Sep 15th, 2008
12:04:31 AM
Hit the screen with top-quality programming, scripts honed to perfection, roles under control, every frame, every pixel, every second totally gooooooooood.

Or get the fuck out of the way. Others with ideas are ready to assume command.

This is it. You've had yours, JarJar. Now get of the fucking way!

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