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Wha-wha-what? First? by Jaypeep	Oct 8th, 2008 07:50:06 AM

My Second First by HewligansHaircut	Oct 8th, 2008 07:54:02 AM
And i'm a bit more interested in this one... Marvel Apes sounds ace!!!
Ah, was actually my First Second!! by HewligansHaircut	Oct 8th, 2008 07:54:32 AM
Ok, i was close :)
Damn "First" Posters by The Penultimate Gunslinger	Oct 8th, 2008 08:03:44 AM
Come on guys, that stuff ain't cool anymore.
Great Millar analysis, Bug by Laserhead	Oct 8th, 2008 08:04:59 AM
"someone foreign to what real people think and feel." Exactly. All concept, no character.
Isn't the 'God' in Secret Invasion by Laserhead	Oct 8th, 2008 08:06:55 AM
an even more blatant rip-off of Battlestar Galactica? I mean, that's the whole Cylon motivation and obsession: God's will. Christ, that moment was embarrassing.
Batman #680-- correction by Laserhead	Oct 8th, 2008 08:08:55 AM
El Sombrero was dropped DOWN through the glass, not pulled up through it. The Joker was on the roof with him, killed him, and dropped him through the skylight. That's it.
Exactly what I was talking about... by Err	Oct 8th, 2008 08:09:15 AM
These epics...Batman RIP and SI... are meh.
Mark Miller by The Penultimate Gunslinger	Oct 8th, 2008 08:17:18 AM
I think he PLOTS great stories, but for god's sake Mark - get someone else to write the dialogue! If I hear one more character in his stories call someone "little man" I'm going to go Marvel Ape on his ass. Every single character he writes sounds exactly the bloody same!
Batman RIP by The Penultimate Gunslinger	Oct 8th, 2008 08:18:23 AM
I'm somehow enjoying the main title, even though I haven't the foggiest idea what's going on. Never bothered to pick up Robin or Nightwing or any of the supporting titles though.
Secret Invasion by The Penultimate Gunslinger	Oct 8th, 2008 08:25:29 AM
I agree with the review here- you don't really give a shit about any of the characters, as there's far too many things going on. And yet it still drags. It should have been more epic in scale - like Crisis on Infinite Earths or even Infinite Crisis. Those stories work as epics because they have turining points and the story develops. The story so far in Secret Invasion could have been fitted into one or two issues. All that said, I'm still buying it 'cus I'm a sucker.
I think Morrison is arguably the best comics writer today... by newc0253	Oct 8th, 2008 08:31:16 AM
but i also think he can be decidedly hit and miss, and when he misses, it's often a mess. case in point, his run on New X-Men, which was brilliant for the most part, also veered into water-treading and wtf-like storylines. When he's on, there's arguably noone better, but when he's not, it can be pretty irritating.
woah! Bit of a massive spoiler for Batman 680! by RighteousBrother	Oct 8th, 2008 08:31:38 AM
Damn
The Punultimate Gunslinger... by RighteousBrother	Oct 8th, 2008 08:33:56 AM
speaks the truth.
Ambush Bug review by toxicbuddha	Oct 8th, 2008 08:46:03 AM
gets discounted because he makes teh same dopey error everyone else does: the use of the term "dead body". By definition, a corpse IS a body; calling it dead is redundant and lazy. Like saying "ATM machine".
Dude, pick some nits, why don't you... by Ambush Bug	Oct 8th, 2008 08:50:28 AM
Toxie, it's not like I said dead corpse. Jeepers. Discounting an entire review because of that? Wow. Am I to discount your post because you spelled THE wrong?
Don't Cry Optimus. by Andre the Frog	Oct 8th, 2008 09:28:33 AM
DC seems committed to The Authority and the rest of it's bummer universe until the last disgusted reader leaves the building. Meanwhile I'm sure the arrogant murderous fucks that you know and love will be up and around in time for the latest WILDSTORM Rejuvenation.
Linguistically speaking... by Err	Oct 8th, 2008 09:29:02 AM
Corpse as a "dead body" is linguistically correct. Just as ATM machine and SSN number. They phrases are not correct from an SAE (Standard American English) stance, but they are linguistically correct. But then again, anything that pops out of a human mouth is linguistically correct.
He's not even picking nits... it's more like picking s**ts by ArcherNX01	Oct 8th, 2008 09:29:24 AM
Reason being, a live person is also a body. And an Angelina Jolie is a hot body. His assumption that generally accepted full terminology is incorrect and "lazy" is possibly a result of a shorter attention span (and I dare to suggest txt msgs?) Sorry Toxic, but Ambush is correct.
Batman by Laserhead	Oct 8th, 2008 09:40:40 AM
I don't know... I just don't know... I think it's been fascinating, and I'm hoping Morrison will pull out something extraordinary (which he's been known to do in a story's final moments)... but I'm also worried that Batman might be ruined for the foreseeable future... Fingers crossed.
Secret Invasion = Muslims? by cgd	Oct 8th, 2008 09:51:06 AM
I read something online that says Bendis's story is an allegory about the Muslim faith spreading around the world. Don't know if I believe it but it is an interesting slant.
Marvel Apes/Zombies/1602.... by brassai2003	Oct 8th, 2008 09:51:31 AM
ugh. All these universes give me a HEADACHE....I think Marvel needs some kind of...ida know...crisis to make sense of it all!
Batman RIP by Andre the Frog	Oct 8th, 2008 09:55:54 AM
Reminds me of those old Jim Steranko Nick Fury stories where common sense and realism take a back seat to a series of wild events and off kilter panel placements. Therefore, even though I have no idea what the fuck is going on, I'm kind of knock over by it..
Wildstorm and Fantastic Four by Joenathan	Oct 8th, 2008 10:00:23 AM
I was really excited for this "end of the World" thing Wildstorm did. I think the idea of such a universe wide shake up was incrediblly bold and rife with potential and the kind of shit you would NEVER see from the big two. I mean, real consquences. DC flirted with the idea back in No Man's Land, but now... Was there ever an earthquake in Gotham? So, yeah, I was very excited to see Wildstorm take such an exciting step and attempt to remove themselves from Marvel and DC's shadow and maybe distinquish themselves once again. And the Authority is... interesting. I'll lurk around it and watch a little. I'm not totally wowed, but it could be fun. Being that I haven't really read Authority in a while though: Where's Jenny Quantum and the Doctor? But back to the new Wildstorm... Anyone read Wildcats? That book sucks . That whole, "oh no, Majestic is a bad guy!" "Yes, I am! I'm attacking you, but its actually a misunderstanding because I'm a good guy!" shit of the first two issues? That was some of the worst comic book cliche crap I have seen in a long time. What a pile. So ultimately, whats everyone's verditc on the new Wildstorm? I love the premise, but of all the titles I've sampled, the best I can muster up is: "eh... maybe... its not stupid, not really..." And... Fantastic Four. Fine, I'm kind of with you. This run of FF has been a bit of a let down. I haven't read the latest issue yet, but I have to admit that I am underwhelmed. I don't get why either, Millar's Ultimate FF was a great time. What happened?
Also by Joenathan	Oct 8th, 2008 10:07:54 AM
I completely disagree with the SI pellet review, but you probably could have guessed that. This time though, I will agree that while not a lot may happen in this issue, I would argue that this is because this issue is the intersection of multiple storylines and a gathering up in preperation for the slide down the shute to the end. Also, I hope you appreciate the poop chute joke oppurtunity that I set up for all you mouth breathing, slope foreheaded Bendis/SI haters out there. Plus, I love Marvel's current universe and their event pacing of the last few years. "Event fatigue" is the sign that you are a wussy.
Marvel Apes and Batman RIP by Ye Not Guilty	Oct 8th, 2008 10:34:52 AM
Why is Marvel Apes $5 per issue? I was interested in it until I saw the cover price. It just ain't worth $20 to pick up that series. We'll see how much it costs in a trade paperback. Maybe I'll get it then. And I agree that Batman RIP is just incomprehensibly written.
Marvel Zombies III comes out today... by rev_skarekroe	Oct 8th, 2008 10:43:34 AM
...somebody needs to put a bullet in that dead horse's brain so Marvel will stop beating it. On the other hand, the Annihilation Classics HC looks pretty cool.
Just Give Marvel Zombies a Regular Series Already by Andre the Frog	Oct 8th, 2008 11:03:35 AM
If people want to see Quicksilver eating the Scarlet Witch why deny them?
Annihilation Classic HC by steverodgers	Oct 8th, 2008 11:05:10 AM
Includes Rocket Raccoon 1-4 by Mantlo and Mignola! Maybe the artistic high point of 1985!
I want to see Quicksilver eat Scarlet Witch... by Joenathan	Oct 8th, 2008 11:41:42 AM
And Ultimates 3 is just not delivering as it promised.
by MikeTheSpike	Oct 8th, 2008 11:42:00 AM
Man, I love this new FF. A bit slicker than I'd like in my Fantastic Four for too much longer (the McDuffie run was perfect), but it's a great change of pace for a little while.
all you mouth breathing, slope foreheaded Bendis/SI haters out t by Psynapse	Oct 8th, 2008 11:47:08 AM
What's hilarious to me is that this rather aptly describes Bendis, not his 'haters'.
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch? Sibling action? by V'Shael	Oct 8th, 2008 11:49:11 AM
There are people who actually want to see that in a comic?
Top Secret Spolier!!! by The Penultimate Gunslinger	Oct 8th, 2008 12:02:33 PM
Uncle Ben was replaced by a skrull just before he got shot - and the real Uncle Ben is gonna come back and be Spider-Man, after the upcoming "Spider-Man - Brand New R.I.P" story, where Peter dies of bird-flu from noshing off Howard the Duck.
There sure are, V'Shael by rev_skarekroe	Oct 8th, 2008 12:08:21 PM
But most of us - I mean, most of THEM - just buy a copy of "Housewives at Play" and paste Wanda and Maximo's heads in it.
Gunslinger - No. by Err	Oct 8th, 2008 12:27:31 PM
Don't say that. Cause Marvel will make it happen.
Rev Skarekroe by V'Shael	Oct 8th, 2008 12:50:23 PM
There are dudes in HwaP ? Or are you pasting Quicksilvers head on to Pocohontas's body and turning him into a shemale? Geez, how many weird fetishes are we covering there?
At least Uncle Ben now has a checkers partner in Heaven! by Andre the Frog	Oct 8th, 2008 12:56:56 PM
You know who I'm talking about.
Can't Say I Read Enough Wildstorm by optimous_douche	Oct 8th, 2008 12:57:14 PM
To say what I think about World's End as a whole, but I think I made no secret about loving THE AUTHORITY take on it. It is truly a ballsy event, let's just hope it's not all wiped clean by Mephisto. I will applaud the WS editorial staff if they don't take an easy fix, but rather truly rebuild the world. I also might actually start picking up more books than Authority and SW PHD as a result.
Man, I am so glad to see these RIP posts by BadAshe	Oct 8th, 2008 12:59:34 PM
Wow, I was seriously beginning to question my reading comprehension skills since I have seen some people go on about how amazing RIP has been thus far. To me, this is a perfect example of Morrison's ideas overwhelming his written words. coughFinal Crisiscough I will read this final issue, but after that, I just don't know what to think. And for the poster asking about the tie-ins, don't bother. the Nightwing RIP "tie-ins" aren't tied into anything and the Robin issues touch some ancillary points, but are not completely relevant and won't enhance RIP. The Detective Comics seem to take place well before the events of RIP, I think, but I have found that Hush story a little more interesting.
Goddamnit DC... by Kid Z	Oct 8th, 2008 01:15:23 PM
...Bring back Pa Kent!
Is that hilarious, Psynapse? by Joenathan	Oct 8th, 2008 01:30:51 PM
Great! Anyway, Optimus, Mephisto is A devil, not THE Devil. I hope you understand that by now...
seriously though, by Joenathan	Oct 8th, 2008 01:32:25 PM
I did buy all the Wildstorm titles because even if it doesn't pan out, I do support radical new directions and comic book publishers that take chances with their properties.
Mephisto IS "The Devil" of the MU though... by Psynapse	Oct 8th, 2008 02:32:46 PM
Given that the MU does not actually acknowledge the existence of 'The Devil' or 'God' as such. Even Satana and Hellstrom's father was revealed to NOT be the 'Satan' (which is really the hebrew word for 'adversary') of biblical context but rather yet another "Extra-dimensional life force consuming entity" as ALL of Marvel's greater demonic entities have been explained to be. Now the DCU on the other hand, definitively states that their Universe IS predicated on the Heaven and Hell Paradigm of western religion. And does the name "Mephisto" which is blatantly taken from "Mephistopheles" really get by you? Then I guess you'll never understand that by now....
awesome by Joenathan	Oct 8th, 2008 02:43:01 PM

um... by Joenathan	Oct 8th, 2008 02:48:59 PM
"Given that the MU does not actually acknowledge the existence of 'The Devil' or 'God' as such." You mean, except for Matt Murdock, his Mom, that old Thor villian The Crusader, Nightcrawler, to name a few... you mean, besides them, right?
I did 100 Covers when I was 11! by loodabagel	Oct 8th, 2008 02:51:10 PM
Of course, then it was only about 8 or 9 covers, but I freaking invented that shit man. Just like how I conceptually invented Tivo and ipods when I was 6. I don't want any of you nerds spoiling my comics, so I'll check in next week, after I buy them.
Marvel CHARACTERS acknowledge God... by rev_skarekroe	Oct 8th, 2008 02:56:33 PM
...but you won't find an entry on him in the Official Handbook. Dig?
Not quite... by Psynapse	Oct 8th, 2008 02:59:26 PM
Those are character within the universe that hold those belief systems. The DCU has 2 entities floating around that are specifically "God's Vengeance" and "God's Mercy" (The Spectre and The Radiant in case you don't know who they are) and a currently running mini about the war resultant from introducing the concept of hope into Hell.
iffy ground by Joenathan	Oct 8th, 2008 03:11:04 PM
see many people actually equate their belief as proof of existance, those characters in the MMarvel Universe do as well. To them, it isn't a concept, its real. Soooo, to them, the ACTUAL devil does exist and its not Mephisto, he's just a monster or a cosmic being or a deviant or whatever. Maybe Peter makes the same distinction when he and Mary Jane made their deal, which really, admit it, it WAS the best way to dissolve the marriage. I'm just kidding with that last part... It was Mary Jane who made the deal. I heard its because Peter has no dick.
About your correction, Laserhead: by SleazyG.	Oct 8th, 2008 03:14:09 PM
Okay, let's say Sombrero got dropped down through the skylight. Fair enough. But riddle me this: how did the Joker do it while standing INSIDE THE ROOM with the rest of the partygoers? I mean, did he somehow drop in from the roof down into the room, saunter over to a doorway, and lean into it grinning, in a single panel, and without anybody noticing it? It's still poorly executed enough I had to re-re-read it.
Sorry by optimous_douche	Oct 8th, 2008 03:17:31 PM
I just didn't care enough to give Mephisto his correct title. I'm actually surprised no one called me out on blatant universe crossing.
It's not iffy, Joenethan. by SleazyG.	Oct 8th, 2008 03:18:34 PM
Fact is, Marvel used to have Satan as a character, then got worried about parents and changed it. Hence "Hellstorm, Son Of Satan", who is no longer Satan's son. They used to have Judeo-Christian devils around, but they don't any more because they were worried about parental protests. They now refer to angels and devils they've invented, but none specifically from the J-C background. DC, on the other hand, has no problem using names straight out of religious texts, like Beelzebub and Lucifer. And that whole "Matt Murdock is catholic, so they exist" argument is weak as hell. God doesn't show up on panel, and neither does the Devil, in the Marvel U, which is what was being discussed.
Universe Crosser! by Joenathan	Oct 8th, 2008 03:19:03 PM
Happy?
So there fore, Sleazy by Joenathan	Oct 8th, 2008 03:21:57 PM
Mephisto is a devil, but he isn't THE devil. And I'm not saying the "belief equates existance" arguement holds water for ME, I'm saying that it does for religious types. So those characters in the MU that ARE religious somehow would make that same distinction.
I thought Satan was in Ghostrider somewhere by drewlicious	Oct 8th, 2008 04:05:04 PM
I flipped through a trade paperback and it involved him crossing over. Did they change that or is that just another one of those various devils that run around. I didn't look to closely, not really a Ghostrider fan.
Event fatigue is the sign of being a wussy? by WarpedElements	Oct 8th, 2008 04:33:13 PM
All these build ups and GIGANTIC LIFE ALTERING GIANT SLUGFESTS THAT WILL DECIDE THE FATE OF THE MARVEL U (or at least America in the Marvel U) are just overblown hype and they end up dragging in regular series with "Special crossovers" and such madness. Stop interrupting regular series, tell your shitty horribly paced story and be done with it. Dragging it on and on with predictable endings does not a good event make. I'll admit, I miss my heroes when they wore capes and goofy outfits and fought VILLIANS. Not this internal fighting bullshit for the last few years. All started when Bendis took over Avengers...
Warped by Joenathan	Oct 8th, 2008 04:50:13 PM
I get what you're saying, but honestly, there are sixty years of goofy costumed fisticuffs that you can revisit. Why can't we have both? Besides, have Cap or Daredevil been interrupted by SI? Has Iron Fist? I don't think Current Spider-man has been interrupted either. There's always the Marvel Adventures line and the Ultimates Line too. I think its more than fair to admit that there are options to explore if you don't enjoy the main event, right?
Personally, I LOVE Millar's Fantastic Four by LaserPants	Oct 8th, 2008 04:51:40 PM
Fantastic Four has been pretty bad for a few years. The last time I gave a shit about them was during that story were Doom got all magical, had an armor made of skin, and took the FF to hell. Since then its been a big zero until Millar took over, now its one of my favorite books. I absolutely LOVE this new story with the New Earth, captive Galactus, and freaked out future Earth refugees. Then, of course, you have Hitch's awe-inspiring artwork. I'm surprised your not digging it Ambush Bug.
I'm not against FF. by Joenathan	Oct 8th, 2008 04:58:29 PM
I just can't help but notice its general lack of punch, you know? I want it to be awesome and it is, but it kind of seems surface. I'm still buying it though and waiting for the Old Man Logan crossover, which is one of the best things Marvel is doing right now. I'm digging the hell out of Old Man Logan.
Joenathan by WarpedElements	Oct 8th, 2008 05:06:56 PM
Meh, I liked the cohesion of the Avengers pre-GIANT-MEGA-SIZED-CROSSOVER -EVENT-THAT-WILL-ALTER-EVERYTH ING. It's overdone now. Beating the dead horse, like Marvel Zombies. A few titles aren't interrupted, sure. But did we need a Deadpool SI? Did we need Wolverine in Civil War chasing down Nitro? The She-Hulk/New Warriors drama? Guess I'm just a sucker for Kurt Busiek's era Avengers, where the characters interacted with the rest of the Marvel U, but didn't rely on some big event to CHANGE EVERYTHING. Do we really need a giant comic altering event every summer?
God was in Fantastic Four... by Lord John Whorfin	Oct 8th, 2008 05:08:42 PM
and it was Jack Kirby.
Joenathan by sean bean	Oct 8th, 2008 05:08:58 PM
Jenny Quantum absorbed the Carrier's baby universe at the end of the Number of the Beast miniseries and is presumably dead (until she returns). I don't remember anything happening to the Doctor... but he hasn't appeared in the first three issues. For me, the new Authority is a bit uninspiring. I'm not really interested in seeing Mad Max 2 starring Midnighter. But I generally enjoy the work of Abnett and Lanning so I'll give it a chance for the time-being.
Jack Kirby by steverodgers	Oct 8th, 2008 05:34:20 PM
is the god of comics - regardless of universe.
Authority I Would Still Love To See by optimous_douche	Oct 8th, 2008 05:55:09 PM
I so wish the plug didn't get pulled on the Utopian storyline. The team does it feel a little lighter from a character stand-point than it has in the past. I do miss Jenny Quantum, but not the new Doctor. I wish Heroine Doc could come back.
God also showed up in... by Johnny Smith	Oct 8th, 2008 06:38:14 PM
...one of the Spider-Man books during Back in Black, wherein he told Peter everything was going to be okay. Good to know Peter Parker trusts the Devil more than God.
Howard the Frog by Jonas Grumpy	Oct 8th, 2008 07:14:42 PM
What sort of dimension-crossing, cigar-chomping, cab-driving "trapped in a world he never made" character is stuck on the Marvel Apes Earth? And does he wear pants?
The Final Fate of batman? Way to alienate new readers! by Larry of Arabia	Oct 8th, 2008 07:17:50 PM
When you have one of the biggest movie franchises of all time you DON'T shake up the comics so much that people intrigued by the movie picking up the source books will be totally turned off by the fact that Batman is not who they recognize.
That Batman review by hatemphd	Oct 8th, 2008 08:27:20 PM
"...then we finally get the big reveal that we knew was coming all along: you can’t really trust chicks named Jezebel." Best line I've read all day. TY
Ok Freedom Formula by Series7	Oct 8th, 2008 08:33:05 PM
Did anyone read Freedom Formula #2? What a huge let down from the first one.
Don't discount Bug's review because of the Dead Body Snauf by TallBoy66	Oct 8th, 2008 10:51:36 PM
Discount it because Bug is talking about some intangible family emotion bullshit and preconceived bias towards Millar's writing by finding it "smug". You know, how every single fucking review of Millar's stuff always says "It's smug". Yeesh. Beat a dead horse already.
You'll feel it one day, TB66... by Ambush Bug	Oct 9th, 2008 01:43:32 AM
I'm sure one of these days you'll understand what I was getting at about the FF being about family. And I just rechecked, and nope, didn't use the word smug once. Maybe you were reading another review and being all tough and stuff whilst doing it. If you like Millar's FF. That's cool. To me, it's just not genuine.
Faith in government by krushjudgement	Oct 9th, 2008 01:48:58 AM
Not everyone had faith in their government 25 years ago. That's a silly generalization. People hated Reagan in the 80's, just like people hate Bush now. Some loved him etc...
Krush - Start Using Your Toes to Help Count by optimous_douche	Oct 9th, 2008 06:24:13 AM
I said nothing about twenty-five years ago. Half a century is fifty years by my new math. I specifically cited lack of faith starting with Johnson and Nixon. Nixon would be at least 34 years ago (I lived for three hours under his presidency – was born the day he resigned) and Johnson would be longer than that. Hell, I know people even hated Kennedy, and had he lived, I'm sure he would not be revered as he is. He would have been caught with his dick in something at some point. But prior to that there was a reverence for the Commander-In-Chief. Not anymore and quite possibly, never again. Perhaps reverence and placing elected officials on a pedestal will be forever forgotten even if the individual is deserving. Oh and by the way, while I was but a wee child, I know that Ragan’s approval numbers were never as low as Bush’s, not once.
Warped, Sean, Optimus, Tallboy and a little bit extra for the wh by Joenathan	Oct 9th, 2008 10:21:58 AM
Warped: All those things you menion? No, maybe we don't NEED them (do we NEED any of it) but they do serve to expand the tapestry of the story and when it works, its a good thing. When it fails? Well... what can you do? Its the reality of the business, I guess. But, I think thats the difference between us, because at this point, looking back, I hate Busiak's Avengers. Hate them. At the time I was really excited because Astro City is great, right? But man, that shit was so 1950's no reality what so ever, sugar sweet I think it might have actuallt given me a cavity. AND it was the worst perpetrator of my biggest pet peeve. Superheroes hanging out in costume. Do football players go to BBQs in their uniforms? No, because that would be retarded. And if I was Jarvis I want to kill that fucker Hank Pym. "Hey listen, douchebag, how about, instead you of forcing me to make like six fucking gallons of tea for you to use in that ridiculous Tea cup, you just shrink down to normal size since there's no super villians about, you woman beating bastard!" Its so stupid. Iron man holding a paper plate and a burger in his armor and drinking a beer through the mouth slit? what the fuck? Try that shit sometime with one of those old Halloween masks. Ugh! Now you got me all riled up. I forgot what I was going to debate with you. Oh well, yeah, I didn't like Busiak's Avengers. Triathalon? Douche. Sean, I am interested in Mad Max starring Midnighter, so I'll still tune in. I guess the return of Jenny Quantum is their just in case we have to fix everything in order to salvage sales card, huh? Optimus, I too enjoyed Heroin Doctor more. Remember Evil Doctor? That was a great arc. I may buy those old Millar/Ellis Authoritys. I bet they're in trades. Tallboy, you're right that there is an overwhelming anti-Millar barometer here, but instead of discounting, I just use their hatred as a gage for my enjoyment and its been right so far. Fingers crossed on FF picking up, though. And finally as a gesture to really getting the TB started today... ahem... "Good to know Peter Parker trusts the Devil more than God." Ah... no, Peter trusts A devil more than God, not THE devil, because as I've clearly stated before, Mephisto is A devil, not THE Devil, sheesh...
Oh, he's just a devil? by SleazyG.	Oct 9th, 2008 11:30:48 AM
No wonder he's more trustworthy than god. That cleared things right up--Thanks! Or, to put it another way: you choose one of The Devil's lackeys over God? I mean, The Devil might win a showdown between the Big Two, but just some pissant little wannabe? Sheesh--that decision just got even more smarterer.
Ok, i have to give this one up to JoeNathan by Homer Sexual	Oct 9th, 2008 11:40:14 AM
Because that whole Super Heroes hanging out in costume has always bugged the sh!t out of me as well. Completely ridiculous. OTOH, the first storyline of the Busiek/Byrne Avengers was really good. It all went wrong later. I am so old that what I really enjoyed was the Stern and Michelinie era. Not feeling the destroyed world of Wildstorm. Was a big Authority fan for a long time, love all the referenced storylines above. Used to buy Gen13, Authority and until cancelled, Midnighter and Tranquility. Don't buy any of them anymore. Batman RIP...once I read an interview with David Lynch where he said you shouldn't try to completely understand Mulholland Drive, just let it wash over you. I love that movie. I also like RIP (am not a regular Batman reader). Finally I don't care about the whole God/Devil thing. Whatever for Satan/Mephisto. Just whatever.
Costume Parties by steverodgers	Oct 9th, 2008 12:14:26 PM
Totally crazy - but i have to say i kind of love it. A giant tea-cup? Did the Wasp have a tiny one? Just one of the great, wildy, wonky things about comics. However I can understand how it could drive a person a little crazy. Stern's avengers btw, are fantastic issues and the buscema/palmer team were hitting it out the park. The Avengers Under Siege story line being the highlight. Zemo... what a jerk.
Runaways by steverodgers	Oct 9th, 2008 12:23:34 PM
Just finished the entire BKV run... wow that is a great comic. Can anyone tell me if Whedon keeps it up, why only 6 issues, and are the Terry Moore issues that bad? That would be a real shame because that comic, like Ultimates should be a flagship marvel book.
Runaways by optimous_douche	Oct 9th, 2008 01:25:45 PM
Whedon keeps it up and I think I've already made my feelings known on the Moore run thus far. Blech
Runaways by steverodgers	Oct 9th, 2008 01:36:44 PM
That stinks. What a comic though, i know i'm wicked late to the party, but wow - that is a fun, well written book. Excited for Whedon (only 6 issues?), really bummed about Moore.
A Devil versus THE Devil by Psynapse	Oct 9th, 2008 01:59:10 PM
Toe-may-toe, Toe-mah-toe: whatever differentiation you choose to accept or endorse it doesn't make the deal itself any less retarded from a moral or ethical standpoint. And I'm just gonna say this regarding Mephisto: He's as close it gets to being THE devil of the MU (an entity we've never actually seen in EITHER universe by the way, though some DCU writers HAVE claimed that Neron is The Devil there) so arguments about his 'entity status' are ultimately pointless raises guilty hand as both parties will always be right in this instance.
RE: Runaways by Psynapse	Oct 9th, 2008 02:02:29 PM
Stay AWAY from the Moore stuff. It will be quite painful to read in comparison to the sliced awesome that preceded it. Even Whedon's way-too-delayed run stays true. ***SPOILER: And anyone who didn't get teary eyed at Chase time travelling JUST TO LOOK at Gert has no heart.
Sleazy by Joenathan	Oct 9th, 2008 02:03:53 PM
I wasn't commenting on the right or wrong of the situation... just that Mephisto ISN'T the Devil. You know... just to keep it going...
Costume Parties by Joenathan	Oct 9th, 2008 02:09:21 PM
Not only did he have a giant Tea-cup but he was a giant sitting on the furniture. "Hey Giantman, you dickhead, thats a couch, like three other people could be sitting down right now if you'd just be normal size!" Imagine trying to wash that stupid god damn tea cup. Jarvis puts up with a lot of shit, yes, the Avengers under seige storyline was great, but poor Jarvis gets his ass kicked, most likely after having to wash that stupid teacup out. I bet Giant man leaves it out with a little bit of Tea still in it too, so that there's a little stain at the bottom that you have to really scrub it. I don't even want to think about what a giant guy might leave in the toilet... I hate giant man. I hope the skrulls killed him
Poor Jarvis by steverodgers	Oct 9th, 2008 02:17:35 PM
hilarious joenat. love the idea of Jarvis, still a mess after his massive beat down, staring at a huge tea-cup, with a tiny sponge in his hand, asking himself for the 1,000th time, "why do i put up with this bullshit?" or better following giant-man around with a plunger yelling,"you plunge it this time you giant-sized wife-beating d-bag!"
Lets not play a numbers game by krushjudgement	Oct 9th, 2008 05:19:43 PM
I'm just saying that you used a gross generalization that isn't really true.
I see your point... by krushjudgement	Oct 9th, 2008 05:23:01 PM
...About the Commander in Chief and Nixon, but... ..."there was a collective faith our governments were always looking out for our best interest." Did you read this in a history book?- or did you think Leave it to Beaver and JLA comics implied it?
Super hero costume parties by Ambush Bug	Oct 9th, 2008 08:37:36 PM
Yeah, it's goofy, but so is dressing up in costumes in the first place. I always rationalized it by telling myself they hung around Avengers mansion in costume because they were always training or ready for action. Then again, you have to remember, not everyone lived in Avengers Mansion. When they were there, technically they were on the clock. So of course, they'd wear their uniforms just like a policeman or a fireman would wear their uniform when they were hanging around the fire house or police headquarters. If you think of it that way, it makes more sense that Hawkeye was BBQ-ing in costume in the back yard.
Ha. by BangoSkank	Oct 9th, 2008 08:46:22 PM
Glad Mephisto debate continues. It makes me happy. I made a deal with a devil, but he wasn't THE devil, so I figure that I should be good. I bitched about SI a couple of weeks ago, but in truth, am enjoying it as a whole. I've never read Fantastic Four before, other than the first 10 issues of the Ultimate line, and the few times they've crossed over with the mutant titles.... I am, however, enjoying Millar's run more and more every issue, but again, have little to compare it to. I'm enjoying the shit out of Old Man Logan, although 1985 has left me cold. I'll continue to get Kick-Ass, but sold my 1st edition #1 & #2 for $45 bucks on Amazon. Now if I could just figure out how to make a profit on the other 12 long boxes I have full of comics.... I'd be set. Or would at least have gas money for the next couple of weeks.
Mephisto v. God by Johnny Smith	Oct 9th, 2008 08:55:31 PM
So if I make a deal with Hades after Zeus tells me everything's gonna work out okay, I'm cool because he's not the Christian devil? Okay then.
Yeah, Johnny.... by BangoSkank	Oct 9th, 2008 09:12:59 PM
You're getting it now. You, me, and Peter Parker are all-good.
Hawkeye at the Grill by steverodgers	Oct 9th, 2008 09:23:12 PM
That dude would wear his costume anywhere -its the only way he can pick up chicks. You think the black widow/mockingbird/she-hulk/won der man would have been into him if he didn't have that awesome purple number? Please.
Yo Johnny.... by Psynapse	Oct 10th, 2008 07:59:46 AM
Hades doesn't make deals. That fucker's a complete hardass.
Bug by Joenathan	Oct 10th, 2008 09:33:36 AM
I get the "on the clock" idea, makes sense and I definitely accept a little bit of inherant costume silliness because superhero comics are inherantly silly, BUT... Fireman don't wear their entire kit the ENTIRE time they're on duty and thats what drove me crazy. They can't have a "ready station"? You're at a BBQ, man, why don't you hang up the 8 foot long cloak and stay awhile? I mean, if you were Moon Knight, wouldn't you worry about getting mustard on your costume? Captain America wandering around, eating a hot dog with his shield on his back and his mask up and having small talk chit chat? Thats silly and the hallmark of a lazy artist. Sure, sure, If I had a purple unitard and a quiver full of trick arrows, I too would wear it everywhere, especially while grilling, but I'd at least put my mask down, if for no other reason then to dramatically pull it back on while saying something bad ass and pithy like: "Who ordered the well done ass kicking?" when trouble once again rears its ugly head. Come on, right? Come on.
Deals with the Devil by Joenathan	Oct 10th, 2008 09:45:22 AM
I love bringing this up, its like meat in a Tiger cage... Anyway, Its not the deal itself that I am excusing. Point of fact, I'm not excusing it at all nor do I think it was a good idea, I'm just saying that if you make a deal with Mephisto, its the type of thing that if need be Thor could come by and punch Mephisto in the head a bit for you if the deal turns sour or something that Dr. Strange could probably undo for you. Sure, its not a wise deal, but as a superhero with other superhero friends, you have escape clauses inherant should you deal with Mephisto, because whether he's a cosmic entity, a demon, a higher being, a deviant, whatever, Mephisto is basically a guy and there he is, real and solid and right in front of you, so he can be dealt with in the classic superhero way, if need be. Now the REAL Devil would seem more final, more dangerous and not to be taken as likely because he is a primal force. People call Thor the God of Thunder but he isn't the same thing as God, right? So the same idea applies to Mephisto and the Devil. The Devil is evil incarnate, a deal with the REAL Devil is irreversible and eternal. Its for your soul and everyone knows that in that kind of deal, not only are you putting up EVERYTHING FOREVER, but it never goes the way you want. All I'm saying is wise or not aside, the difference between the two entities (mephisto and the Devil) might have made Peter's answer different depending on whom he was talking to and the possible ramifications that could be logically extrapolated as a result of such a deal. In summation: Mephisto is A devil, not The Devil.
And finally... by Joenathan	Oct 10th, 2008 09:56:29 AM
I read the new Fantastic Four and I got go back a little. I really liked it. Alot. Admittedly, I don't think the colors are very sharp, and I am a sucker for dystopian futures, but I'm excited to see where the book goes from here. Plus, I was wrong about the nanny's identity which is kind of embarassing, but still, he got me. And I was thinking about it and while I think this Ben Grimm is played a little too dumb, I do really like this version of Reed. He comes off more like what I would think a super bad ass smart scientist-adventurer would be like, which is cool
Re: Costume Parties by steverodgers	Oct 10th, 2008 10:44:33 AM
Can someone start this blog already? I would read it ever day. Shots of Namor only wearing his shiny green swim trunks at weddings, the giant tea-cup, and of course Hawkeye, diligently working the grill- again trying to prove to Captain America that he is responsible, mature member of the Avengers –only to have it all be derailed when Thor in full regalia complains that his burger has been singed – making Hawkeye storm off in a massive snit, quit the avengers for the umpteenth time, join some sketchy security firm, and spend his nights cruising for chicks on his flying archer-mobile thingy.
Steverogers by Joenathan	Oct 10th, 2008 11:03:19 AM
"and of course Hawkeye, diligently working the grill- again trying to prove to Captain America that he is responsible, mature member of the Avengers –only to have it all be derailed when Thor in full regalia complains that his burger has been singed – making Hawkeye storm off in a massive snit, quit the avengers for the umpteenth time," --- Thats funny. I can see the cover of Hawkeye quitting, snapping his bow over head, grill in the background and wearing a kiss the cook apron... "Thats it! Hawkeye is outta here!" That stupid fucking tea-cup...
did you think Leave it to Beaver and JLA comics implied it by optimous_douche	Oct 10th, 2008 11:06:16 AM
OK, you just named two mediums that had this attitude towards an infaliable government from that time period. What are our entertainment mediums if not the general reflections of society as a whole?
West Coast BBQ by Joenathan	Oct 10th, 2008 11:06:49 AM
There was an issue of West Coast Avengers where Hawkeye had dug out the ol' grill in celebration of beating Graviton, I think and of course, all of them were in full costume and at the time Rhodey was Iron Man and he has a thought bubble where he agonizes over how will he ever be able to enjoy Hawkeye's scrumptious BBQing without removing his helmet. Oh the Drama! I think thats where the beer through the mouth slit thing came from... SILLY!
Also, by Joenathan	Oct 10th, 2008 11:07:47 AM
for the famous Reed and sue marriage, Cap did show up in full costume. Mother fucker couldn't even be bothered to wear a bow tie. The Thing got a tux, what the hell Cap!
West Coast BBQ by steverodgers	Oct 10th, 2008 12:08:39 PM
That is great stuff. Again I would love a blog with just scans of panels like that. I can picture Rhodey with his thought balloon starting wistfully at Hawkeye’s BBQ, "agonizing" over it. I'm laughing just thinking about it. I think you would have to call the blog: the Giant Tea-Cup
Hawkeye Cover by steverodgers	Oct 10th, 2008 12:10:42 PM
reads: "Avenger No More!" -picture of Thor with a sour face staring at his burger, while Hawkeye and his busted bow storm out of the mansion.
History by krushjudgement	Oct 10th, 2008 01:14:01 PM
If you're getting your history from entertainment mediums than you aren't getting real history. The world was not a more simple place. There has always been murder and corruption and evil. Intelligent people in all time periods understood this.
Intelligent people, sure. by Psynapse	Oct 10th, 2008 02:37:11 PM
Too bad they have ALWAYS been way outnumbered by the stupid ones. Also, you're presuming that said intelligent people had the necessary access to the information to make such discernments.
Of course there has always by optimous_douche	Oct 10th, 2008 05:52:27 PM
Been discontent. That wasn't my point. There seems to be more blind faith in the past. Whether it was fear of damnation, imprisonment, voodoo, whatever people were not as apt to buck the system. Granted, your forward fringe thinkers (like comic fans) would always pose the questions, but no one truly had the balls to act until the late 1950s, early 1960s. As Psynapse so nicely pointed out, the fringe thinkers are the smart people and sadly they are not the masses. Personally I think every President we have ever had has stuffed some skeleton in their closet. And yeah, I think that statement would have caused a lot more fights fifty years ago, then it does today.
But seriously... by magsweeto	Oct 11th, 2008 02:17:18 PM
If you were hero enough to have a costume, you would wear it all day, every day. I know I would, no matter how neon-dandy, caped and cowled it was. 100 Covers looks great. I remember when all covers were story teases - the covers were always the comic crack that kept me buying. Opposed to now, of course, where you might see an Avengers cover where the whole team is charging from the left side en masse, all in their best Dragonball Z battle poses, and you think "Damn, whatever baddie is off-panel to the right is going to get bludgeoned good! I've got to get this!" Then, when you open it up and read it, it's about Thor's singed burger and Hawkeye's resignation tantrum, sans melee.
I appreciate by krushjudgement	Oct 11th, 2008 02:49:32 PM
That we are having this conversation without attacking each other personally. Good points.
Truly by optimous_douche	Oct 12th, 2008 07:25:32 PM
Civil banter is more constructive than name calling. Part of the reason is because I don't disagree with you. It was a damn broad generalization on my part, I just think it's a fair one.
Agreed. by Psynapse	Oct 13th, 2008 10:55:34 AM
Civil discourse preferred as well.

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